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The Ferguson Report Reminds Me Why I Became a Conservative
National Review Online: The Corner ^ | March 16, 2015 | David Fre\nch

Posted on 03/16/2015 10:31:22 PM PDT by Sherman Logan

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To: nathanbedford
"...I do not believe that local politicians are intrinsically more virtuous than Washington-based politicians..."

They aren't. They are just easier to get your hands on.

And at the heart of conservatism is a healthy awareness that people are flawed, and are susceptible to temptation, corruption and power, and you allow yourself to be governed while knowing man is imperfect. Liberals don't see it that way, hence people like Obama in government. The founders surely saw it that way, and it is why the Constitution was created as it was. A wonderful document when followed, a great cover for people to wrap themselves in for protection when they deliberately flaunt it, and profess to abide by it. And aren't called out on it.

21 posted on 03/17/2015 3:01:42 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Not only is your vote more meaningful locally, but you want your taxes spent locally; here in NJ our urban welfare hatcheries are cutting costs because the money ran out - they don’t have the option of simply dipping into a neighboring municipality’s coffers.


22 posted on 03/17/2015 3:15:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: rlmorel

You have ably refuted an argument neither Mr. French not I have made.

The article has very little to do with racism at all. It addresses problems that have little or nothing to do with race and everything to do with corruption of government at the local level.

The Justice Department and you both want to make it about racism, in opposite ways, but that’s not the real issue.


23 posted on 03/17/2015 4:02:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

While it is true that the local governments can be just as corrupt as the federal governments, the author overlooks one important point, the local governments are more directly accountable to the people. When the mayor or city officials are corrupt, it is far easier to organize, protest, attend local counsel meetings etc.. In other words, on the local level it is far easier to get your voice heard and make changes. The local governments are more directly accountable to the people that they serve. That’s the difference and why it’s good to devolve power down to it’s most local level IMO.


24 posted on 03/17/2015 5:01:34 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: rlmorel
And at the heart of conservatism is a healthy awareness that people are flawed, and are susceptible to temptation, corruption and power, and you allow yourself to be governed while knowing man is imperfect. Liberals don't see it that way, hence people like Obama in government.

An important insight that and one which explains at least in part why the left is always whoring after the new Messiah. As Dennis Prager says in so many words, one's political convictions are determined by whether one sees man as inherently evil or inherently good.

We conservatives acknowledge the flawed nature of man and yet by virtue of some miracle I do not fully understand it is conservatives who vest in man the dignity of liberty while liberals despise the individual and would deprive him of choice (outside of the bedroom) and consequences.

Anyway, a flawed man as local politician is at least under closer scrutiny than a phony Messiah in a bubble.


25 posted on 03/17/2015 5:03:30 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Sherman Logan

LESS government is always the better solution, lovcal or national.


26 posted on 03/17/2015 5:06:37 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Sherman Logan
LESS government is always the better solution, local or national.
27 posted on 03/17/2015 5:06:52 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Sherman Logan

So the take home message here is that Ferguson is corrupt and the authorities disproportionately targeted those with no connections.

The evidence: a high percentage of blacks have been accused of and arrested for breaking the law.

Ergo - Ferguson is corrupt.


28 posted on 03/17/2015 5:16:35 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: nathanbedford
Check this out. Here's something to consider about liberals, and conservatives.

We MUST get rid of these evil people.
29 posted on 03/17/2015 5:27:22 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
I think the corollary is also worth considering, conservatives tend to project their own ingenuousness onto political figures and assume they possess a virtue which they do not deserve.

One can see this so blatantly in the 2008 election of Barack Obama. They simply would not see the deviousness reflected in the man's biography. Not incidentally, we have just read minutes ago that Obama has abandoned the application of freedom of information to his administration, at last openly dispensing with the charade.

As we project good intentions on the evildoers we get what we don't deserve.


30 posted on 03/17/2015 5:59:19 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
I could go into many different directions on your words.
The LAWLESS ONE is a Biblical Curse.
On another subject, do you listen to Glenn Beck?
31 posted on 03/17/2015 6:03:48 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Not really. The better solution is always OPTIMAL government, as those who have tried to survive in situations with insufficient government would be glad to explain to you.

However, I will agree that in our present situation, not having enough government is not really a problem.


32 posted on 03/17/2015 6:26:13 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

” The better solution is always OPTIMAL government,”

I don’t see ever a time in our nation’s history; when we have had too little government.


33 posted on 03/17/2015 7:06:26 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: hosepipe
Unless you’d care to describe a preferable method?

Article 4. Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

The Federalist Papers delineates the reason it was important to guarantee a Republican form of Government.

You will not find a single occurrence of the word, democracy, in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. In addition, none of the Constitutions of the fifty states contains that word.

The Founders recognized the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God and that means, they wrote the founding documents knowing that man is flawed.

34 posted on 03/17/2015 7:46:31 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Concerning this subject, I knew you would have the most liberal opinion on FR.

The problem is not Ferguson. The problem is the racist Justice Department.


35 posted on 03/17/2015 8:11:01 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Gaffer

Democracy (big D) is just dandy......as long as you’re not the fat guy in the lifeboat. :0)


AND don’t fall asleep..


36 posted on 03/17/2015 9:49:18 AM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: MosesKnows
The Federalist Papers delineates the reason it was important to guarantee a Republican form of Government.
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The MEANINGS of the words republican AND democrat have been lost to posterity.. -OR- stolen..

Republicans are BLIND to this or don't really CARE...
Democrats are blind because of who they are..

Libertarians know there is an elephant in the room..
They can smell "IT"... but are as blind as bats..

37 posted on 03/17/2015 9:57:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: hosepipe

Oh.... OR high.. on something..


38 posted on 03/17/2015 9:59:19 AM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: Sherman Logan
I would disagree. I read the passage: "...It is entirely possible to believe (as I do) that the evidence indicates that “hands up, don’t shoot” is a fiction, even a malicious fiction, while also believing that the evidence indicates that Ferguson’s government was corrupt in exactly the way that government is typically corrupt..."

When I read this, I saw it as an explanation, and he gives a degree of moral equivalence to government corruption as to a "malicious fiction" to explain what is going on in Ferguson.

Contrary to what you or the author think, it isn't people like ME who want to make it about racism.

It IS about racism, not "government corruption". THAT is precisely what the race-mongers and race-baiters are trying to pin it on to legitimize it.

And sadly, there are lots of people who buy into that. I think it is shameful.

39 posted on 03/17/2015 10:14:08 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: nathanbedford

It is puzzling, I agree. Conservatives SHOULD be the ones who think that there are people who are incapable of success, and should be coddled.

But we aren’t. We believe that ANYONE can be successful if they work hard enough and find the suitable path for them in life.

Instead, it it the liberals who want to impute the worst negativity to human nature, the very people who think all people are inherently good, and that some societal situation has caused them to go bad.


40 posted on 03/17/2015 10:19:48 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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