[henkster]

The Episcopalians, some Lutherans and now Presbyterians have all gone gay. The Methodists are next. Their last pronouncement was a rejection of endorsement of homosexuality, but only after much hand-wringing. The fact that there was any hand-wringing at all is disconcerting. It's pretty clear to me God, Moses, Jesus and Paul all said that homosexuality is sin. It was unconditional condemnation.

To their credit, last year a local Methodist congregation removed from his position a lay music director who came out of the closet. The Conference stood by the church, but there was a split in the congregation; a number of members supported the music director. Apparently, they had no problems with a homosexual giving music instruction to their kids.

Still, there are enough Methodists in the clergy and rank and file that support the gay agenda that the Methodists will eventually reverse their stand. I give it no more than five years.

[Genoa]

I agree with you about the hand-wringing. I think the UMC is actually in better shape now strategically, since voting at General Conference is weighted by membership, which favors the conservative conferences in the southern US and global south. The current problem is that infractions of the Book of Discipline in some US conferences are overlooked or given token punishments. Even bishops are complicit. But still, the GC in 2016 will doubtless be the scene of much more hand-wringing if not a change to the Discipline.