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“Without disclosing my identity, can you verify for WhiskeyX that I have every appearance of not being a Russian agent unless I’ve been some kind of sleeper from birth?”

That is entirely unnecessary. As I have commented several times before, it is nearly impossible to know who and who is not a Russian posting on FR, so I try to use the description of a behavior rather than assume rightly or wrongly someone is supposed to be a certain nationality. Whenever I see pro-Russian comments and especially pro-Russian comments that repeat common Russian false propaganda and disinformation as agitprop, I have to conclude the commenter is disseminating pro-Russian agitprop regardless of who the person is and what the person’s nominal nationality is supposed to be. I will give some leeway in interpreting pro-Russian comments as more likely to be coming from a Russian national when the usage of American English is improper absent.

“You didn’t comment the last time I posted about the Stalin-Rothschild connection, so I reposted, so you would make another auto-bot style response.”

I didn’t respond immediately because I was preoccupies with responses to other posts and IRL activities.

“Now you’re responding with the same bot-style spam comment that you’re using to reply to any posts that you apparently do not want to rationally discuss.”

On the contrary, I was giving an appropriate response to the troll like attempts to hijack the subject of the news story. naturally the responses will be about as repetitious as the ridiculous number of posts used to attempt the hijacking of the topic. Every time a news story has come up about the Russian Internet trolls and been posted to FR, the same group of commenters descend upon the post and do everything in their power to change the subject to anything other than the criticism of the Russian troll activities. Naturally, it takes a lot of stubbornly similar responses to put these commenters on notice that their deliberate attempts to change the subject were not going to be unopposed.

“You appear to be desperate to somehow prove that I’m a Russian agent of some kind, but unfortunately for you, I’m about as American as they come.”

On the contrary, I’m only interested in what you do and not who you are. The differences between a Russian or an American posting pro-Russian false propaganda and disinformation and disrupting on topic discussions of Russian internet trolls is not particularly very relevant for the purposes of investigating the activities of the pro-Russian information warfare. I’ve encountered any number of Communist Americans IRL and an assortment of other political persuasions with similar anti-American and/or pro-Russian beliefs. How American your political beliefs are versus your American nativity can be a matter for dispute, as it is for everyone born with U.S. citizenship.

“My FReeper handle comes from one of my earliest ancestors, one of the first settlers of the Mabie family, who settled in Newington, NH (just inland from Portsmouth) in the 1600’s and operated a ferry there. The other side of my family goes back to at least the 1700’s, as a member of the family signed a document in Pequannock, NJ that predated the Revolution. I was born in Pequannock, NJ in Chilton Memorial Hospital. I was only ever outside of the US when I traveled on business to Canada and to Australia. I’ve been a registered Republican since I was old enough to vote, and my first vote for President was for Ronald Reagan in 1984, just after I graduated high school.”

Congratulations. All of my ancestors were 17th Century colonists, early 18th Century colonists, or native 18th Century Amerindians, with the exception of three English and German ancestors who immigrated before 1835. One of my 2nd great-grandfathers was among the founders of the Republican Party in Illinois. I own an original photograph of Abraham Lincoln which was given by Abraham Lincoln to my 2nd great-grandfather during the 1860 election because of his Republican founder’s support and because his brother-in-law served as an attorney-at-law on the same Illinois circuit court as one of Abraham Lincoln’s friends and colleagues. For more full disclosure I will add in part that I have cousins who have served as a Republican circuit court judge, A Democrat Illinois State Senator, a Democrat Arkansas State Senator, and a Republican Treasurer in a major metropolitan city controlled by a major Democrat majority, and a Democrat Precinct Committee Chairman for nearly fifty years. My father-in-law’s close cousin and life-long friend from their childhood days was a Tennessee Judge, U.S. Congressman, U.S. Senator, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, primary candidate for President of the United States, and the longest serving U.S. Secretary of State in U.S. history. I have served as a Republican elector, and I have personally testified before a U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

“I’m simply of the opinion that America should not employ her armed forces to do the bidding of elite financiers who are hostile to Americans in their unwavering support of government spending, higher taxes, imported cheap foreign labor, exporting American jobs, undermining the Christian faith, spreading immorality through the media and education, etc.”

“And I’m also of the opinion that basically all of US foreign policy, including Eastern Europe and the Mid East, revolves around the machinations of said elites, and American should have no part of it.”

I’m well acquainted with your kind of political philosophy and the arguments related to it, having family and acquaintances who espoused various forms of it. I also have some minor experience in discussing such matters with a diverse range of occupations including in part U.S. and foreign corporate directors, U.S. and foreign senior military officers, Soviet diplomats, and Soviet KGB officers. Refuting them is well beyond the scope of this forum, but suffice it to note we are diametrically opposed on most points of your political philosophy. On other points of your political philosophy we will agree upon the problem, but we will not agree on the approach to gaining a solution to the problem.

“And I’m also of the opinion that our political parties are but cheezy theater to pose as a legitimate government and draw attention away from the behind-the-scenes control by the elites.”

To the extent such sentiments as those of your may be true, their truth does not justify your approach for handling those realities.

In particular, your changing of the subject to criticize the United States in a post about a news story reporting on the activities of the Russian trolls and in prior news stories is a breach of the etiquette for the forum. You know or should know such matters as the role of the Soros propaganda can be and should be discussed in the posts about those news stories, and not in this one. Even given your antipathy towards the elite of the U.S., it hardly seems credible you would obstruct the discussion of the faults of the past and present Russian elite who have a proven track record of murdering and killing tens of millions of human beings, while threatening today to kill tenfold more if they aren’t allowed to conquer whom they please when they please in defiance of the Law of Nations.

I have served as a Republican elector, and I have personally testified before a U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

So you've been part of the American conservative establishment; your postings agree with that background, they're straight from the neocon playbook. A few short years ago, you and I would probably have agreed on just about everything.

Perhaps you really don't understand the wicked powers that are simultaneously behind both the liberal and conservative establishments. I hope you come to see where they have misled both conservatives and liberals for so long.

Just a few key contradictory points are what raised the red flag for me, and they revolved around treasonous dealings with our supposed enemies.

On the one hand, I was led to believe that the Republican establishment was the party of American business, that the Democratic party was the party of "workers" and had links to socialism.

Ok, duly noted: Republicans = anti-communist/socialist.

I loved to read about WWII as a young boy. I grew up hearing about WWII rationing, and I grew up immersed in a culture that said: American business and financial elites were patriotic during WWII. American business and finance elites in my mind became my ultimate "good guy". I grew up immersed in the world of small business; I lived, ate, breathed small business.

I was in high school when Ronald Reagan was first elected President; needless to say, he was a hero of mine.

American business and military power - coupled with American government being founded on and operating on a basis of righteousness - meant that all was right with the world in my mind, I could just vote Republican and have complete confidence that the "good guys" would win.

Then recently I find out that elite American business and finance has - all along - been committing acts of treason by propping up the Soviet Union. And this was virtually completely unopposed by Republican and "conservative" politicians. Everyone in a position to do something about it simply turned a blind eye and kept it quiet, out of the public eye.

And now my beloved American "big business" - is exporting jobs continually - to Communist China. If they were what I thought they were - they would purposely make moves to not grow and expand China - because China is a Communist country. My youthful fairy-tale of big business being in the corner of the American public is completely contradicted by the actions of big business.

And my beloved American "big business" - is importing cheap labor and I see this in my own career and hear it firsthand - as in "they are just hiring Indians", etc. Just one employee to another, no propaganda, just stating the fact: Pieter, look elsewhere, they don't want white men in these jobs.

The elites of America - are anti-American. They are wreaking havoc on the American economy and the American labor market. Thus they hate the American people.

And more and more I realized that so-called "conservative" elites, i.e., politicians, are all talk and no action - they are taking up seats in Congress so no real opposition to treasonous anti-American policies is mounted by Congress.

This can't be written off as a mistake. It is beyond mere profit-seeking. There is plenty of money to be made by simply operating a business in the US. There is no need to import labor and export jobs. There certainly is not business case for propping up Communist countries financially.

This is not even to mention things like world government, which the conservative establishment does not resist at all, it just perhaps pays lip service to resisting it. The conservative establishment does nothing to maintain American sovereignty - it only pays the idea lip service.

I came to realize: the American conservative establishment has been pissing on the legs of conservatives for 50 years telling them it's raining.

Now here I am on a conservative website being told that I must be a Russian agent because I won't continue to cheerlead for the conservative US side of the US vs. Russia Cold War, which we supposedly won, but now the conservative establishment is telling me the Russians are back and a bigger threat than ever. While American big business... continues to trade with both Russia and Ukraine.

In particular, your changing of the subject to criticize the United States in a post about a news story reporting on the activities of the Russian trolls and in prior news stories is a breach of the etiquette for the forum.

By the way, I violated the HELL outta the etiquette for the forum today, on your thread.

Wanna know why?

Because I thought it was interesting enough to get more exposure, and going "BTTT" is SO boring. So I make it fun, people respond (and thusly bumping the thread too) and viola: More exposure.

You're welcome.

Now, on to your incredibly arrogant tone....

Congratulations. All of my ancestors were 17th Century colonists, early 18th Century colonists, or native 18th Century Amerindians, with the exception of three English and German ancestors who immigrated before 1835. One of my 2nd great-grandfathers was among the founders of the Republican Party in Illinois. I own an original photograph of Abraham Lincoln which was given by Abraham Lincoln to my 2nd great-grandfather during the 1860 election because of his Republican founder’s support and because his brother-in-law served as an attorney-at-law on the same Illinois circuit court as one of Abraham Lincoln’s friends and colleagues. For more full disclosure I will add in part that I have cousins who have served as a Republican circuit court judge, A Democrat Illinois State Senator, a Democrat Arkansas State Senator, and a Republican Treasurer in a major metropolitan city controlled by a major Democrat majority, and a Democrat Precinct Committee Chairman for nearly fifty years. My father-in-law’s close cousin and life-long friend from their childhood days was a Tennessee Judge, U.S. Congressman, U.S. Senator, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, primary candidate for President of the United States, and the longest serving U.S. Secretary of State in U.S. history. I have served as a Republican elector, and I have personally testified before a U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

Humblegunner, we got a live one here. He's ****so***** much better than us.

See, I come from a family tree of recent immigrants (1900's), all without skills and much by way of intelligence or wisdom or looks or money.

Yet I'd still stack our family, proudly, against yours.