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To: caww

“certainly Nuclear none care to use....at least not yet.”

You could not be more dead wrong. There is a belief among the Muslims of Iran that it will be necessary for Iran to launch a nuclear war to create the conditions for the Mahdi and Jesus Christ to return to Earth and usher in Judgment Day.

China has been constructing vast underground nuclear missile facilities, military aircraft facilities, and cities to withstand a nuclear war. Some of their military officers have voiced confidence in being able to wage and survive a nuclear war with their core assets intact.

Russia has also long prepared an underground city and various facilities designed to survive a nuclear war. Putin has recently been refurbishing and adding to these facilities and capabilities at a fast pace.

“Everyone who has watched the exchanges between Nato/Eu/US and Russia for decades now knows that Russia’s red line was Ukraine as Nato continued it’s expansion.... As did those who pursued interfering in Ukraine’s affairs. What did they expect Russia would do...just stand by?”

The Ukraine is an independent nation. The Ukraine has been an independent nation and a recognized member of the United Nations entitled to its own vote in the United Nations along with Byelorussia. You and Russia do not get to come her all these decades later and pretend that Ukraine was a part of Russia, when the historical record clearly establish the Ukraine was not a part of Russia. Ever since the Ukraine declared its full independence from the USSR in 1991, the Russian Federation recognized the independence of the Ukraine, until now when Putin wishes to conquer the Ukraine and make it part of a new Russian province to be known as Novorussiya. Putin’s plans predate the Maidan and anything the EU and U.S. have done or not done. The Russian complaints are nothing but disinformation used as a fake excuse to pursue their dreams of military conquest.


256 posted on 03/30/2015 7:02:08 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

“There is a belief among the Muslims of Iran that it will be necessary for Iran to launch a nuclear war to create the conditions for the Mahdi and Jesus Christ to return to Earth and usher in Judgment Day.”

No, you’re wrong. Please provide *factual* proof for your assertion.

There is neither a “belief” nor consensus among “muslims in Iran”. Not even among the Iranian Regime members, “that it will be necessary...[for them] to launch a nuclear war to create the conditions for the Mahdi and Jesus Christ to return to Earth, etc...”

In fact, theologically, Mahdi is meant to arrive in time. Nothing can expedite his arrival - that’s the general belief.

People are entitled to believe what they want. That includes deciphering through propaganda fed on both sides of the POLITICAL spectrum.


258 posted on 03/30/2015 7:28:52 PM PDT by odds
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To: WhiskeyX
It is one thing to have nuclear arms....it's another for any leader to initiate use ....and it's also another to threaten use. Thus far none have opened that lid. It's been used as a deterent.

I know what the Muslim beliefs are regarding their end times theology....and why the world leadership view is that Iran should not acquire Nuclear Bombs. I agree. Unlike our current President.

Both Russia and China have underground facilities for their people....we don't except for those elites to continue governance.

Ukraine has never been “Independent”...nor responsible for their own affairs. They've always been and likely will remain a welfare state dependent on outside influences to sustain them. Be it Russia or the EU/Nato nations. Further Ukraine has always been a divided nation....it's people have two different mindsets and always have had.

You wrote...” You and Russia do not get to come her all these decades later and pretend that Ukraine was a part of Russia, when the historical record clearly establish the Ukraine was not a part of Russia.”

To respond ..I am not involved with Ukraine nor Russia. Never have been. Never will be. Though you do seem to enjoy pigeon holing me into your imaginary idea of who or not is supporting Russia. As for Ukraine's History...it's there for any to investigate who annexed it's lands to Ukraine.

Had Putin wanted Ukraine he would have taken it long before now...he simply wants that which will protect his ports and access to the sea...and create the buffer zone he desires. Nobody really wants to deal with Ukraine....it's always been cannon fodder for one side or another...and a total headache for any nations who gets involved with it.

262 posted on 03/30/2015 7:50:33 PM PDT by caww
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