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Eau Claire County issues order for Amish family to leave home
WEAU TV ^ | Thu 6:28 PM, Mar 26, 2015 | Jessica Bringe

Posted on 03/26/2015 7:28:21 PM PDT by so_real


FAIRCHILD, Wis. (WEAU) - An Amish family in Fairchild now has a sign on their home ordering them to leave.

The court order for Amos and Vera Borntreger, along with their four young children, is for violating Eau Claire County building codes.

The family claims those codes go against their religious beliefs.

The county put up the sign, Thursday, around noon.

The penalty for not obeying that sign by leaving their home could be $2,000 dollars for every day they stay or jail time.

A group of about ten from the Amish community were gathered when the county delivered the order to the home.

Amos Borntreger tells WEAU it was all done very peacefully, but says they're not leaving.

A friend of the Amish community, John Czech, was at the house, Thursday. He says he supports the family's stand.

“I personally think that's wrongful and corrupt to make them follow beliefs against their religion, that haven’t always been established but it's probably going to take something like this to put it on the legal books so they're not restricted in that way,” said Czech.

Borntreger also says he's feeling a little uneasy about the situation and just wants to take it one day at a time by following the legal path.

He adds they're now appealing the ruling to a higher court...

The county will now decide what comes next.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: amish; christians; eviction; wisconsin
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To: daniel1212

Regarding the Journals of Congress, 1782 (click) referencing Aitken to add to your research :-)


41 posted on 03/27/2015 10:44:47 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
And even beyond that, what right do we have to force them in any way to abandon the religious practice they have held for hundreds of years in this nation?

Slippery slope; do we then have to recognize the right of Muslims to continue their hundreds of years practices of requiring submission or death of Infidels?

Yes, I know, the comparison is silly. But it WILL be made!

42 posted on 03/27/2015 2:30:00 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & Ifwater the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: so_real
Deny your religion by fibbing about installing smoke detectors, or deny your religion by installing smoke detectors.

nope, install battery powered detectors, then take the batteries out like they do in the inner city....no problem, and if you have a radio...it works just fine.......

43 posted on 03/27/2015 2:32:22 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
What building codes were against their beliefs?

Probably hard wired smoke detectors, effluent pumps, or smart electric / gas meters mandated by the local codes.


Of course the Amish have no indoor plumbing so effluent pumps are not needed, they have no electric service so the smart meters are moot and the wiring for the smoke detectors won't have any power to run them.

44 posted on 03/27/2015 2:38:44 PM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: JimRed

do we then have to recognize the right of Muslims to continue their hundreds of years practices of requiring submission or death of Infidels

No. That would be an exercise in moral relativity ... making the invalid assumption that "all religions are created equal". The Old Order Amish have lived peacefully with us since before the Constitution was adopted and largely share the core of our national faith -- they have lived unchanged since the time that faith shaped this nation. Conversely, a muslim nation declared war on this country almost immediately after its birth, and do not share in the core of our national faith. No slippery slope for those who have not drank the all-religions-are-equal kool-aid. But you are right ... that is just my opinion and many black robed individuals have quenched their thirst with that kool-aid. This judge perhaps being one of them. Which is why I strongly encourage my fellow Wisconsinites to question, and ultimately decide against, supporting her aspiration toward even greater authority.


45 posted on 03/27/2015 2:47:11 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: terycarl

You have to meet these people. They are the type to bind themselves with a word and handshake. It literally troubles their hearts to be deceitful. They are not like us in that sense -- and that actually bodes poorly ... for us.


46 posted on 03/27/2015 2:49:50 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
You have to meet these people. They are the type to bind themselves with a word and handshake. It literally troubles their hearts to be deceitful. They are not like us in that sense -- and that actually bodes poorly ... for us.

I have to meet them??? I live in Indiana and we are home to zillions of them.....horse drawn buggies in Wal-Mart parking lots...I have, and frequent an Amish bakery (YUM) within 3 blocks of my house...very nice people and I respect them a lot....(Kun's Bakery!!)

47 posted on 03/27/2015 7:36:41 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl

Yes! I stand happily corrected. It's maple syrup season and you know then what that brings!


48 posted on 03/27/2015 7:48:41 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
the Congress of the United States did recommend and approve the Holy Bible for use in all schools

But not expressly or specifically for schools, nor did they purchased them, but recommend this edition of the "invaluable book." The actual document could be shortened as thus:

"Being witnesses ourselves of the demand for this invaluable book...Resolved...the United States in Congress recommend...the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States."

While this refers to a specific edition of the Bible, it was the "invaluable" Bible that was officially and uniquely recommended, and the printing of their recommendation authorized, something the ACLU types would go bananas over today.

If the Founders saw religion as something both the Fed and state govs must avoid officially sanctioning like the plague, then what were they doing affirming and recommending the Bible, and proclaiming such this as,

Congress proclaimed days of fasting and of thanksgiving annually throughout the Revolutionary War. This proclamation by Congress set May 17, 1776, as a "day of Humiliation, Fasting and Prayer" throughout the colonies

The present Library of Congress pages , whence this comes, should be saved before the liberals/atheists change it.

49 posted on 03/28/2015 4:35:51 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: so_real
i hope the Amish families prevail in this fight because this most certainly strikes at the heart of religious freedom.
50 posted on 03/28/2015 4:46:44 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: JimRed; so_real
Slippery slope; do we then have to recognize the right of Muslims to continue their hundreds of years practices of requiring submission or death of Infidels?

Only if the First Amendment and specifically meant absolute separation from the Christian faith, so that its laws did not reflect its general ethos.

For the reality is that there can be no absolute separation of religion and state, as the laws of the latter reflect moral beliefs, which historically trace back to religion, and in some cases a specific religion.

While there are some commonalities, accommodation of all religions would mean sanctioning everything from polygamy to honor killings. Meanwhile, though a consensus on what is right may be reached by reasonable men, yet man can also reason perversely, and without a supreme moral standard, which in America and for the Founders overall was the Bible, absolute separation of faith and state can lead to the gov sanctioning not only polygamy but fornication, bestiality, pornography, and gov advocation for abortion, and affirmation of sodomy, and Global Warming hysteria, and the victim-entitlement mentality, leading to dictatorship. Which is not much of an alternative to Islam.

America was not founded upon Karl Marx or Muhammad, nor specifically Roman Catholicism, but its Founders at the least were deists who esteemed Biblical morality, while overall they held to Christian faith, not another. Thus the aforementioned recommendation of the Bible as the "invaluable Book,"and proclamation of fast days. etc.

And thus the Constitution and laws reflect the beliefs of the Founders, and of the people who elect those who interpret it. However, as the people drifted away from that faith then they indirectly elected souls who imagine a perverse and unrealistic idea of the separation of powers. And as nature abhors a vacuum, so another faith, that of atheistic secularism has increasingly supplanted it, with its ever-morphing morality.

Which actually works in the favor of Islam, as makes merchandise of the immorality of the "Christian" West, and promotes itself as a secure faith community of unchanging standards and that provides souls with a purpose. For like as is exampled with cults, the devil understands God's basic principles, which the devil employs while perverting the message.

Meanwhile, much of the Christian church is increasingly seeking to please the flesh in order to win and pacify the worldly elements, supposing that quantity is better than quality, but which is not how the NT church began. Which degree of daily, hourly holy consecration i need to get back to more myself.

51 posted on 03/28/2015 7:16:41 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: so_real
Some folks do mince words and argue the quote is "a fake" because it is not attributed to any one person in particular.

I would not use it as a "quote," as that denotes an actual statement.

52 posted on 03/28/2015 7:19:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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