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Passengers screamed as captain took axe to cockpit door
www.thetimes.co.uk ^ | 03-27-2015 | Staff

Posted on 03/27/2015 8:14:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

As they plunged towards their deaths, one of the last things seen by passengers and cabin crew near the front of the Germanwings Airbus A320 was their captain, Patrick Sonderheimer, desperately trying to smash down the door of the cockpit.

For several minutes on Tuesday morning the airliner had been inexplicably descending from cruising altitude towards the Alps with its engines idle.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: airplane; crash; germanwings
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To: Red Badger
From the FAA regulations (I suspect European regs are similar):

Sec. 91.513 — Emergency equipment.

(a) No person may operate an airplane unless it is equipped with the emergency equipment listed in this section. (b) Each item of equipment—

(1) Must be inspected in accordance with §91.409 to ensure its continued serviceability and immediate readiness for its intended purposes;

(2) Must be readily accessible to the crew;

(3) Must clearly indicate its method of operation; and

(4) When carried in a compartment or container, must have that compartment or container marked as to contents and date of last inspection.

...........

(e) Each airplane accommodating more than 19 passengers must be equipped with a crash axe.

Source:

http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-513-FAR.shtml

81 posted on 03/27/2015 9:22:05 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: csvset

My suggestion, a couple of days ago, was a emergency override command that comes from ground control that would unlock the cabin door if the pilot or co-pilot were locked out due to some reason such as this. The crew could contact the controller and declare their emergency via a second radio link from the passenger cabin.

I haven’t ridden on a train since 1962 when I was 7 years old, but I remember there was a line along the bulkhead above the windows that a passenger or conductor could pull to notify the engineer to come to a emergency stop. There should be some sort of similar ‘panic button’ or other device that could be initiated to send out a emergency signal to notify authorities that a situation was going on that required their override command to gain access to the cockpit.................


82 posted on 03/27/2015 9:22:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: miele man

Sounds from the voice recorder seemed to indicate that was what was going on, but they won’t know for sure until they do find the remains of the cockpit door and can determine if that was the case................


83 posted on 03/27/2015 9:24:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: WildHighlander57

Journalists are most likely not pilots.............


84 posted on 03/27/2015 9:25:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: moovova

Only if it’s marked for ‘Emergency Use Only’............


85 posted on 03/27/2015 9:26:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: Red Badger
My suggestion, a couple of days ago, was a emergency override command that comes from ground control that would unlock the cabin door if the pilot or co-pilot were locked out due to some reason such as this. The crew could contact the controller and declare their emergency via a second radio link from the passenger cabin.

Yeah .. what could possibly go wrong? Come on, this isn't a realistic solution.
86 posted on 03/27/2015 9:27:03 AM PDT by Methos8
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To: thackney

Government bureaucrats are not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree..........


87 posted on 03/27/2015 9:27:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: thackney
I thought the Axe was kept in the cockpit.

That's where it was kept when I was a FA.

88 posted on 03/27/2015 9:29:09 AM PDT by Shelayne
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To: Methos8

Video link with the cockpit and cabin views could tell the controllers which side of the door the truth was on............


89 posted on 03/27/2015 9:29:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: Alex Murphy

 

"This is your captain speaking. I need this line of passengers slapping that woman to move towards the cockpit door. Thank you."

90 posted on 03/27/2015 9:30:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility.)
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To: Red Badger

God rest their souls, just so horrific. Imagine the mothers holding those two babies, it is just heart wrenching.


91 posted on 03/27/2015 9:31:47 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: fidelis

Axes are a necessary piece of emergency safety equipment. There are valid reasons why they are kept aboard.

And the fact is that the door locks aren’t there to prohibit outside access to the cockpit; they’re there to buy enough time for the attendents and passengers to subdue and restrain the person trying to get into the cockpit.


92 posted on 03/27/2015 9:32:39 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: fidelis
More interesting reading:

The Crash Axe as a Tool of Threat Interdiction

93 posted on 03/27/2015 9:34:03 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: tanknetter

My point exactly. They are required equipment. My post was directed at those who seem incredulous that there was an axe on board. As a fireman, I know they are very versatile tools.


94 posted on 03/27/2015 9:37:25 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Planes descending as if to land,only mountains no civilization out the windows, people are screaming, mass hysteria..
Sorry not fast enough


95 posted on 03/27/2015 9:39:08 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Red Badger

You’d think that they would put a combination lock on the door, rather than relying on whomever was inside.


96 posted on 03/27/2015 9:40:19 AM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: luvbach1

Yup sure would.....Door aint coming down and lets say it did after what 2 3 minutes there would not be enough time to get that monsters nose back up.


97 posted on 03/27/2015 9:42:34 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: jmcenanly

There is a combo lock, but whoever was inside the cockpit set the 3 position lock to override the ability of anyone outside to get in.


98 posted on 03/27/2015 9:43:58 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: fidelis

Yup, just expanding a bit on what you posted.

The truth is that, post-911, anyone who gets their hands on the axe will be using it to fend off the people trying to take it away (and probably then use it to bludgeon that person to death). Which in most cases other than transoceanic flights will allow the pilots to put the plane on the ground safely.

There are a lot of items on planes that can be used as weapons. Some years ago a friend of mine, on his way down the aisle, snagged one of those demo seatbelts used by the attendents as part of their departure routines. He and i played around with it, found it was very easy to wrap it around you hand, buckle out, and use as a form of brass knuckles.


99 posted on 03/27/2015 9:46:47 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Red Badger
Video link with the cockpit and cabin views could tell the controllers which side of the door the truth was on............

Come on .. really? Once you've enabled remote control of the cockpit door, one stupid hacker in cahoots with a guy or two on the plane (with some basic combat or MMA training) could easily take it over. Hacker sends signal to open the door, couple dudes walk in and take out the pilot, and the hacker permanently locks the door. If I could think that up in two minutes, I'm sure someone with bad intentions could do a lot worse.

And this "battering ram" idea is just about as ridiculous. As someone mentioned, any door designed to withstand grenades are not going to get knocked over by 10 or 15 guys trying to bumrush the door. And besides, I am not a pilot but I'm assuming someone in the cockpit at the controls could do something a lot worse than just put it on a relatively controlled descent into a mountain. At 38,000 feet couldn't he just air out the plane and basically kill everyone within a minute or two? Or put the plane in some kind of unrecoverable nosedive? Even the US policy of having a flight attendant in the cockpit when the pilot hits the head isn't going to really help if the pilot or co-pilot is suicidal.

There isn't a silver bullet solution here, other than some enhanced mental health screenings of pilots, and even that is going to be far from perfect.
100 posted on 03/27/2015 9:49:00 AM PDT by Methos8
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