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Handgun owner's shooting in attempted robbery 'very complex,' police say
Pioneer Press ^ | 4-2-15 | Mara H. Gottfried

Posted on 04/02/2015 6:08:35 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

St. Paul police said Tuesday that their investigation continues after a 24-year-old man being robbed at gunpoint pulled a gun and shot one of his assailants Monday. The would-be victim was not injured, and police Tuesday identified Joseph Barre, 29, as the suspect who'd been shot in the foot. Police were called to the Hmongtown Marketplace at Como and Pennsylvania avenues about 5:30 p.m. Monday with a report of shots fired, and officers recovered several casings, according to a police report. A St. Paul man had been walking outside when two men approached and tried to rob him, police have said. The man, who had a permit to carry, pulled his gun and exchanged gunfire with the suspects, according to police. Lowell Schoenherr was at a park across the street when he heard three shots, turned around and saw a man who hobbled away and got into the back of a car. A car pulled behind it and both drove off quickly, said Schoenherr. He didn't see what led to the incident and he was surprised to hear the shots, he said. Police have said the 24-year-old man got into his own car and pursued the suspects. A second gunfight followed in the 900 block of Thomas Avenue.

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1 posted on 04/02/2015 6:08:35 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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:: Police have said the 24-year-old man got into his own car and pursued the suspects. A second gunfight followed in the 900 block of Thomas Avenue. ::

Poor judgement.


2 posted on 04/02/2015 6:13:05 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Layers of Response by John Farnam

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/06/layers-of-response-by-john-farnam.html

great advice


3 posted on 04/02/2015 6:14:18 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: TurboZamboni
a 24-year-old man being robbed at gunpoint pulled a gun and shot one of his assailants
Smart.

the 24-year-old man got into his own car and pursued the suspects
Dumb.

A second gunfight followed in the 900 block of Thomas Avenue
Really stupid!

4 posted on 04/02/2015 6:16:28 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Yep. That is when it got “complicated”.

Still, if he hunted them down and killed them, If I was on his murder trial jury I’d find him innocent due to “fight of flee” instincts in human beings.

i.e. it’s not the bears fault if, after you attack him with a cattle prod, he rips your head off.


5 posted on 04/02/2015 6:16:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Very complex = The damn intended victim invoked his White privilege and defended himself; shooting the oppressed son-of-Obama who was turning his life around and had just enrolled in community college with an eye toward becoming a brain surgeon.


6 posted on 04/02/2015 6:17:09 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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While I don’t think it should be illegal to follow the suspects after a gunfight, I wouldn’t do it myself unless they had already harmed one of mine....I’m competent with a gun but there’s no sense in tempting fate by asking for a repeat. That said, I will not deter those who wish to give chase...more power to them.


7 posted on 04/02/2015 6:18:10 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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What’s the point of having a CCW if you have to pass all the criteria “tests” before shooting some scum bag trying to rob you?

“Did he have a gun?”
“Was the gun pointed in your direction?”
“Could you have run away”
The next question will likely be, “Was he black?”

Sickening!


8 posted on 04/02/2015 6:19:41 AM PDT by DaveA37
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a simple rule:
did the perp have- means, proximity, intent.

IF the victim initiated the 2nd shootout, I’d say he’s in trouble. (Given this is MN, not TX)


9 posted on 04/02/2015 6:22:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Arm_Bears
Very complex = The damn intended victim invoked his White privilege and defended himself; shooting the oppressed son-of-Obama who was turning his life around and had just enrolled in community college with an eye toward becoming a brain surgeon.

He was heard by several witnesses to be saying, "Feet up! Don't shoot"

10 posted on 04/02/2015 6:24:15 AM PDT by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: cuban leaf

:: fight of flee “

I assume “flight OR flee” reaction.
I get it.


11 posted on 04/02/2015 6:26:38 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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did the perp have- means, proximity, intent.

Pardon, but correction:

did the perp have- means, proximity ,opportunity, AND intent.

Poor judgment in following and a lousy shot, but not very 'complex'...

12 posted on 04/02/2015 6:33:11 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
That first paragraph describes an awful lot of activity that seems to indicate a cop was on scene pretty quickly and watched the action unfold in Madison Square Garden while the perps got into a car and drove off and the victim got into HIS car and drove off

Car 54 ?

Meanwhile we're supposed to think cops fly off the handle in a nanosecond in certain other situations ?

13 posted on 04/02/2015 6:34:24 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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14 posted on 04/02/2015 6:34:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: TurboZamboni

Great list.

I will share it with my HS forensic science class.


15 posted on 04/02/2015 6:42:19 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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Biggest mistake the CCP holder made was not spending enough time on a gun range.

Personally, I think the appropriate result for any type of robbery is immediate, on-site death. I paid with slices of my life for everything I own. You try to take slices of my life, expect to forfeit yours.


16 posted on 04/02/2015 6:55:29 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

It is not illegal to “pursue” your attacker. There was nothing in the article that said the victim initiated the second gunfight.


17 posted on 04/02/2015 6:57:53 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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Agreed. What was the “victim’s” motivation for pursuing he attacker, i wonder?

Did the attacker retain personal property of the victim? To me, that would justify a chase. Hopefully all info will be revealed during the trial.


18 posted on 04/02/2015 7:01:02 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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Don’t aim for the foot.


19 posted on 04/02/2015 7:04:33 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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MN has a "retreat" provision in its evaluation of self-defense.
20 posted on 04/02/2015 7:21:20 AM PDT by wideawake
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