Posted on 04/03/2015 12:15:07 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
Goldwater was right.
There is no more fundamental human right than the right to freely choose with whom we will associate. The freedom to choose with whom we will deal and trade. If we are not free to freely choose with whom we associate, then there is no freedom. Yes, we have the right to discriminate based on race, color, creed, ethnicity, national origin, sex, sexual proclivity, political persuasion, looks, astrological sign or whatever.
What kind of person would want others to be forced under penalty of law to deal with them? If anybody chooses not to associate for me socially or commercially I respect their decision. It is their right. No hard feeling, no animosity, hatred or ill will.
The only way that a large and increasingly diverse nation can survive is for people to be free to associate as they choose. Coercing people to associate against their will only lead to resentment, animosity and increased friction between groups. Force is an ugly and destructive thing. Peace and social harmony can only come from respecting the rights of others.
If we have to always resort to “religious freedom”, then we won’t even have that much longer. So small and cowardly. What makes anybody think that this one, lone right will be respected when every other fundamental right has been eroded away? Religious rights will become the obvious target. We need to stand up for our rights and for freedom. If people are not free to choose with whom they will associate and trade, why should they be free to worship as they choose
Before he went soft in the head in his dotage.
Like it or not, the freedom of association should trump the "civil right" to make others serve you even if they don't want to. Indeed, you cannot rightly say that we have a genuinely free society if we don't do this. Remember, liberties are "negative" – they involve things that other people cannot do to you. Liberty, as a concept, does not involve the positive capacity to make other people do things you want them to do.
And when people don't like liberty, they make laws, and this is the problem.
I am gritting my teeth for the day that a clergyman refuses to perform a gay wedding, then some ‘authority’ will take him away. I would ask the gay fascists to consider that moment as well. Because when that happens, the revolution starts, and the gay people will end up worse off in the end.
Back in the 70s I had a discussion on this point with my best friend’s dad about the right to association. Of course as I 19 years old non bigoted white guy I argued that such a thing would allow discrimination and should not permitted. I hate it when decades later the cranky old man turned out to be right!
Totally agree - the law should have been named the 'Freedom of Conscience' law ... Bringing religion into it just gave the left something to latch on too ...
Freedom of non-association was effectively outlawed with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was the Obamacare of its time. Sounded good on paper, but the devil was in the details like a legislative improvised roadside bomb.
[ There is no more fundamental human right than the right to freely choose with whom we will associate.
Totally agree - the law should have been named the ‘Freedom of Conscience’ law ... Bringing religion into it just gave the left something to latch on too ... ]
Or better yet the “Artisan protection act”
I hate to say this, but I am at the point where I’m serious about asking the question: When they come to haul a pastor away for refusing to perform a gay marriage, or if they haul a baker away for refusing to bake a cake for them, will the people in the community be willing to take up their arms and either force the police to stand down, or else start shooting cops if they don’t?
I hate to say it, but the Left has pushed us to this point. I’m afraid that this is going to end in violence and civil war before it is all done, and the fault lies completely and solely on the side of the Left.
As Walter Williams says,
I discriminated against all other women when I chose to marry my wife. And don’t tell me that they didn’t suffer harm because of it!
I see where you are going, and I do not disagree
Walter is an inspired rascal.
“Why shouldn’t individuals and businesses be allowed to discriminate against anyone they want?”
Absolutely the right question. People ‘discriminate” every day, all day, in all their decisions. It’s part of human nature. It’s not about gays or race or religion ... it’s about individual choice and freedom. If I don’t want to do business with someone, for any reason whatsoever, I should be able to make that choice legally.
Now, people can complain. It’s their 1st Amendment right to disagree with me. And they can call a boycott, also a free speech right. But the government should have nothing to do with it.
This is what is missing in this issue.
Agree 100%. Rights are God given, the government should only exist to protect them and create the stability necessary for a sovereign nation to exist. Most younger people don’t realize that before 1964, everyone did have the right to free association in person, in who they served, and in who they hired. Then we got a series of “public accommodation” and “equal employment” laws that started to carve out groups we HAD to associate with: race, religion, gender, people with disabilities, unmarried couples, now sexual orientation, in some states felons, and the list just keeps growing. Once you determine that the state has the power to abrogate any God given right, it is only a matter of time before that power will grow and choke out the ability to exercise that right at all. The problem with this, it leads to moral collapse. People often don’t associate with people, not for the reasons codified, but because of the behaviors of that group. The ability to not associate forces them to conform their behavior to that which is socially acceptable; take that away and you are where we are now.
“Some are more equal then others!”
http://louderwithcrowder.com/hidden-camera-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakery/
Must a Gay Baker bake Farrakhan’s “Allah Hates Gays!” cake?
Must Mohammed’s Halal Butchery slaughter Billy Bob’s pig?
Must a Black donut shot operator host KKK Koffee Klatches?
Must a Kosher Deli serve patrons dressed as Hitler?
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