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Hey, Christian Business Owners: The Government Isn’t ‘Forcing’ You To Do Anything
Talking Points Memo ^ | 04/07/2015 | Sally Kohn

Posted on 04/07/2015 7:09:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
If print work (for books, records, etc.) cannot be refused on the content of the work, then why didn't the FCC try to push for "access" laws the way they are trying for 'net neutrality' with the internet?

The start up costs to manufacture a record or publish a book on a press are far higher than publishing something to the internet.

41 posted on 04/07/2015 7:23:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you chose to run a business, you have to follow the laws. If you don’t, that’s a choice—and you choose to suffer the consequences.


What about unconstitutional laws? You know, stuff like freedom of association. Or do they say you must give up your constitutional rights if you want to make your living by selling services or products?

I bet she thinks she’s smart. :-|


42 posted on 04/07/2015 7:24:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And more to the point, the government certainly isn’t forcing you to drive. If you don’t like the speed limit and seatbelt rules, and don’t want to be subject to the consequences of breaking them, then you can not drive. Whether to drive or not is your choice.

The government isn't forcing you to marry someone of the opposite sex. If you don't like it, don't get married. "Marrying someone of the same sex" is breaking the rule.

What a series of stupid (and lying) arguments this lib makes.

43 posted on 04/07/2015 7:25:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its funny how, even though gay wedding is legal in their state, they’re still going after Christians who disagree with them. How about leaving Christians alone?


44 posted on 04/07/2015 7:26:26 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: SeekAndFind

Sally Kohn’s mental illness has clearly spread beyond the sexual realm and has rendered her incapable of rational thinking.


45 posted on 04/07/2015 7:26:34 AM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (APPEASEMENT NEVER WORKS.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Don’t like following the laws that apply to businesses—including serving all customers equally?"

I don't know if it's the smartest decision to force people who don't like you and don't want to work for you to prepare your food, fix your car, cut your hair, photograph your wedding, or defend you in court. Just sayin'.

Re: Jesse Jackson "Life Magazine | November 29th, 1969 ... Sometimes he preaches on the legacy of slavery, and one senses that as he stands up there, his eyes ablaze, arms flailing, neck veins rigid, he is feeling every lash of every old whip. During these sermons Jackson sweats profusely, the only visible symptom of sickle-cell trait, a chronic blood disease that saps his stamina but which he ignores in the drama of the moment. Jackson talks about himself at these meetings. Once he told of his days as a waiter at the Jack Tar Hotel in his home town of Greenville, S.C. Just before leaving the kitchen he would spit into the food of white patrons he hated and then smilingly serve it to them. He did this, he said, "because it gave me psychological gratification." It was something everybody in the audience understood."

Sally Kohn probably wonders why her cornflakes are sometimes a little saltier than she expects.

46 posted on 04/07/2015 7:26:48 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maaybe the government should close down political activist groups
and the free press. Then the author can go work diddle her girl friend and nobody will have to hear or see anything about it.


47 posted on 04/07/2015 7:26:58 AM PDT by right way right
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To: SeekAndFind

This all seems simple when we talk about driving, but somehow a fringe set of rightwing conservatives want us all to believe that hapless business owners are somehow being forced, against their will, to serve pizza to gay people.


Yes. Because driving is a privilege, not a right. It is not covered in the constitution other than how the existing protected rights are covered (e.g. you can’t be refused a license because you are black).


48 posted on 04/07/2015 7:27:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Help Barronelle! Gofundme(Arlene's Flowers).

This poor woman, in clean conscience, could not assist in the celebration of a dysfunctional sex fetish union based on ancient satanic rituals, so the decadents are suing her for her righteousness and the protection of her own immortal soul.

49 posted on 04/07/2015 7:27:50 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SeekAndFind

So, I guess Hitler didn’t force anyone to do anything. If you chose to be jewish then you just had to follow the law and get on the train.


50 posted on 04/07/2015 7:27:56 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

When the government forces you to follow a law created by the government, they are not forcing you to do anything except follow the law.

And the definition of a circular argument is?


51 posted on 04/07/2015 7:28:04 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: 11th_VA

Excellent. :)


52 posted on 04/07/2015 7:28:07 AM PDT by MissTed ( Private Tagline - Do Not Read!)
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To: cuban leaf

she ignores the laws that are inconvenient to make her argument


53 posted on 04/07/2015 7:28:09 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: TexasCajun

That guy kinda looks like a chick. Kinda.


54 posted on 04/07/2015 7:28:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: TexasCajun

She makes me sick!


55 posted on 04/07/2015 7:29:23 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (What's good for Christianity might not be good for your 401K)
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To: SeekAndFind

Reminds me of an observation Kurt Vonnegut made about totalitarian thinking. It grinds along like the gears of a perfectly reasonable machine — until one tooth on a gear breaks, and it jumps into something horrible and incoherent.


56 posted on 04/07/2015 7:30:34 AM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: concerned about politics

Christian persecution needs to end now! Kohn needs a permanent Caribbean vacation...may I suggest Cuba?


57 posted on 04/07/2015 7:31:05 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mm, K.

Well, Plessey-Ferguson was a law at one time. Was it right to follow that law as a citizen or enforce it as a gubmint employee?

Anti-miscegenation laws were very much enforced until the 70’s.

American Indians were very much restricted under the law as to how much of their religious heritage could be retained and practiced until the American Indian Religious Freedom Act, also in the 70’s.

Under all the previous of laws restricting religious concience would that just be an inconvenience for a business they would have to factor into their business?


58 posted on 04/07/2015 7:31:47 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SeekAndFind

The whole issue is the result of a number of people’s stupidity.

There is no moral obligation NOT to make a “gay wedding” cake. Making such a cake is not giving formal approval of sodomy.

If Christians are going to insist that a baker may refuse to make a gay wedding cake, then they must admit that a Muslim checker may refuse to check out pork or liquor, or that a Muslim cab driver may refuse to transport liquor, pork, or a dog.

The Christian businesspeople who have been ruined because of their refusal to bake a cake, or provide flowers, or take photographs, have only their own malformed consciences to blame.


59 posted on 04/07/2015 7:33:30 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: SeekAndFind

In a different context, liberals would be horrified that anyone would force them to do anything. Since they have no principles, they can justify anything as long as it advances The Agenda of their hive-mind.

But free exchange is exactly that or it is coerced. Sadly, as with all things liberal, they took a situation that needed to be changed (where black people were refused service to support basic human needs like where to eat lunch or where to get a drink of water), and turned it into a horse to ride to advance the liberal agenda.

And thus we turned a need for black people to have a place to sleep or even to relieve themselves into the legal theory that every business was being operated as a “public convenience” and thus did not have the right to refuse to serve some customers. Now the law started out defining those customers as ones by race, that is to say that a business could not refuse to serve a person solely based on race, but now that government has redefined “marriage” to include something that is blatantly hostile to Christianity, when Christians decline to enable such a “marriage”, government can be called upon to force them to.

One of the solutions is to separate marriage and state. That is to say that marriage is a private matter and it should now be clear that it was a gross error to allow government to define and regulate marriage. Never mind it was done in part to advance eugenics.

When marriage returns to the sphere of private life, people can form whatever relationships they please without government being able to stop them. They do anyway! When is the last time anyone heard of government closing down a “hippie commune” no matter how many feral children it produced?

When marriage is a once again a private matter, government could not be called upon to force a third party to acknowledge it. Thus flower shops and wedding cake makers could go about their business, serving any customer they pleased and declining anyone they didn’t want to serve.

But this whole mess is not about allowing everyone to live in peace with each other. It is a way for liberals to wage lawfare against conservatives and especially conservatives who are Christian.


60 posted on 04/07/2015 7:34:00 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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