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Germany to bring 100 mothballed tanks back into service
bbc.com ^ | Apr 10, 2015 | bbc

Posted on 04/10/2015 2:55:12 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

Germany plans to bring 100 mothballed tanks back into service in what is widely seen as a response to rising tensions with Russia over Ukraine.

The tanks were sold to industry as part of defence cuts after the Cold War.

The German defence ministry said it would spend €22m (£16m;$24m) on bringing its total of tanks to 328.

Nato officials agreed in February to create a quick-reaction force to meet the challenges posed by the Ukraine crisis and by Islamic extremists.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; france; germany; nato; russia; unitedkingdom; waronterror
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To: 2banana

In his book about the fall of Berlin, Cornelius Ryan mentioned that the Russians lost something like 400 tanks in just a couple of hours at Seelow Heights.

It hardly even slowed them down.

Of course the cost per tank back then must have been a tiny fraction of what it is now even adjusted for inflation.

I remember Curtis Aircraft was awarded a contract to produce P-40 fighters for $35,000 each.


41 posted on 04/10/2015 3:39:41 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: ansel12

Any.

Does German have the support systems to deliver, say, 100 of these vehicles at the same time to a combat zone, without compromising other parts of the army?


42 posted on 04/10/2015 3:41:09 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Panzerlied: Leopard II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SndPb5XohYM


43 posted on 04/10/2015 3:42:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: yarddog

but even at $35,000 adjusted for inflation is still going to be a million or two a pop, for a WW2 prop plane.


44 posted on 04/10/2015 3:43:09 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The whole German Army only has (after this addition) 328 tanks? What?”

They’re Germans.


45 posted on 04/10/2015 3:46:53 PM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: GeronL

Germany and NATO can deliver these 4 at a time in aircraft, and two at a time with helicopters.

“The Wiesel can easily be flown in by transport helicopters, a single CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopter can fly in two at once, and common transport planes can carry four or more Wiesel vehicles.”


46 posted on 04/10/2015 3:49:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Europe flipped to Peaceniks after WWII with less guns, more butter. But it was actually OUR guns that kept the Cossacks out. Well, you probably already knew that.

Now they’re going to have to do it on their own.


47 posted on 04/10/2015 3:57:38 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Alas Babylon!

Korea was pretty much the opposite. Many of my Korean co-working soldiers were from the upper strata of society, something you almost never see in our military any more.


48 posted on 04/10/2015 3:59:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://www.tedcruz.org/donate/)
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To: ansel12

American Tanks Return to Europe After Brief Leave
02/03/2014
On Friday, the last of 29 M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks were offloaded at the railhead at the Grafenwöhr training facilities. These heavily armored vehicles are upgraded versions of the older Abrams that left 10 months ago and will become part of what the Joint Multinational Training Command at Grafenwöhr is calling the European Activity Set.

...“The EAS is a pre-positioned, battalion-plus-size equipment set with headquarters pieces and command-and-control elements,” said Col. Thomas Matsel, operations officer with the JMTC.

...Several units are already scheduled to use the EAS. The 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, is first and will take temporary ownership of the vehicles, which will accompany them as they take part in three major exercises spanning from France to Latvia later this year.(2014)


49 posted on 04/10/2015 4:00:18 PM PDT by DavidLSpud ("Go and sin no more"-Rejoice always, pray continually...)
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To: skeeter

This is not being overlooked by Putin. He will make a major military move within the next year IMO. His best chance of encountering minimum resistance is while Obama is president. He knows Obama will not respond or retaliate to any provocation, no matter how serious.

Just like in sports, you exploit your opponent’s weakness. That’s what will do in a big way.


50 posted on 04/10/2015 4:01:53 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: DavidLSpud

There is a lot going on all over Europe, to prepare for Russia.


51 posted on 04/10/2015 4:01:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: GeronL

Actually right under half a million. Not bad compared to unit prices today... Still, today’s aircraft are a little bit better... :-)


52 posted on 04/10/2015 4:08:15 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: GeronL

It’s worse than that. Egypt builds their own version of the M1A1.


53 posted on 04/10/2015 4:11:14 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Berlin_Freeper
338 tanks is a laughable farce.

Germany, and most of the rest of NATO (Poland excluded) do not deserve the protection the treaty provides them.

USA should notify all: Hit the Treaty Commitment of 2% of GDP, or in 10 years you're out. And the USA cancels it's obligation to you.

54 posted on 04/10/2015 4:14:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SunkenCiv

Seems everyone’s finished reloading...


55 posted on 04/10/2015 4:15:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (Climatology is a science?? Kinda like Lesbian Dance Theory is a sport... freeper eyeamok)
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To: GeronL

http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm";

Try it out. Depending on the year of production it is only $500K in today’s dollars.

Might look at in terms of gold,


56 posted on 04/10/2015 4:19:50 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Leopard 2A6 is simply the best MBT there is.


57 posted on 04/10/2015 4:25:00 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Maybe $1.2 mil if adjusted by gold inflation.

The US depended on cheap mass production to just wear out the enemies logistics. Maybe a lesson learned from Grant? We should think about that when mocking cheap fighters, attack copters, and ships.

How much are our fighters worth in terms of numerical superiority? 5 to 1? Our military spend is 70% tax payer ripoff.


58 posted on 04/10/2015 4:28:50 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Alas Babylon!

yes, a bit better


59 posted on 04/10/2015 4:30:52 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: ansel12

Or, more likely, they won’t need an airlift to the battlefield


60 posted on 04/10/2015 4:31:55 PM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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