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It’s not red state vs blue state. It’s city vs country
Hotair ^ | 04/11/2015 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 04/11/2015 12:31:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Start the Madison Fund as recommended by Charles Murray and beat the liberal elites at their own game by suing them for every possible little reason. Tie them up, force them to spend money to defend themselves, and bleed them until they begin to die a death of a thousand cuts.


41 posted on 04/11/2015 4:00:19 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: cripplecreek

Good idea. But the unions must be kept at bay.


42 posted on 04/11/2015 4:01:20 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: AdaGray

We’re a RTW state now. Detroit municipal services are all unionized but it is legal to compete against them in many cases. Dan Gilbert runs a private shuttle service and there’s the Detroit Bus company. Water and electric are increasingly privatized.

Its a great town for sports. You have the Lions and Tigers right next door to each other and a new Red Wings arena under construction in the same complex. There’s INDY racing on Belle Isle and powerboat racing on the river. Roger Pensky says he dreams of bringing F-1 racing back too.


43 posted on 04/11/2015 4:18:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: SeekAndFind

My money is on the rural people. At least they can hit what they shoot at.


44 posted on 04/11/2015 4:53:14 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SgtHooper

I agree. And agree with the article. It’s basically major population centers VS more rural areas.

The red state/blue state thing is pie in the sky.


45 posted on 04/11/2015 5:39:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Publius

The real battlefront is the suburbs. The core of cities and the rural vote are settled. Win the suburbs to win elections. The suburbs are the real purple zones.


46 posted on 04/11/2015 5:56:34 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Publius

Reynolds v. Sims is generally ignored in the list of harms leftist majorities on SCOTUS have inflicted on the Republic. Admittedly Roe v. Wade was worse, but in terms of harm done, it’s a near run thing between Reynolds v. Sims and Wickard v. Filburn for second place.


47 posted on 04/11/2015 6:18:03 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: dragnet2

The only fair way to to count one vote for each voter.

According to whom? That formula guarantees that the interests of cities always trump the interests of the countryside. There is a reason the Founders included anti-democratic elements (the Electoral College, equal representation of the states in the Senate without regard to population, an un-elected Supreme Court with life tenure). One vote for each voter ends up with the urban wolves voting to have the rural sheep for dinner.


48 posted on 04/11/2015 6:21:51 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

You mean the major urban population centers do not have all the power, the control, the big money and control over the elections in the form of never ending reckless immigration?

If not, how has government become so massive, controlling and all encompassing? Is it those in rural areas who are creating all these country killing, government growing policies?


49 posted on 04/11/2015 7:02:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind; Sun; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj
Upstate New York is becoming Detroit with grass.

Ouch.

50 posted on 04/11/2015 8:24:01 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: SeekAndFind

New York’s problem is actually a Washington Created problem 50 years old. You see most all of our states uses to have a legislative body called a state Senate that mirrored in both form and functionality the U.S. Senate thus giving the various regions of the state representation and thus also veto power in State politics.

The design and intent of which was to prohibit powerful cities from doing exactly what they are now doing in New York and Illinois killing off regional competition by crafting State level policy designed to cripple other economic regions of the state, or such as in the case of Chicago using the rest of the State as a piggy bank bail out mechanism for their own failed politician’s projects, rather than taking responsibility for their own actions. This like New York’s urban dominated policy is of course abusive and unfair to the rest of the state. But without a state senate problems and politics that should have remained local to the people who created them are now unjustly exported to innocent people who had nothing to do with them.


51 posted on 04/11/2015 9:02:50 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: cripplecreek; Impy

Used to be a time in NY when the GOP-majority outside the city could outvote them. Now it’s the city that drives the car, and they could care less about the rest of the state.


52 posted on 04/12/2015 1:40:23 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: dragnet2

No, the fact that our polity is too democratic, with the baleful influence of urban populations is beyond dispute. The anti-democratic elements the Founders created, necessary to the health of the Republic, have been largely destroyed, first by the 17th Amendment, then by Reynold v. Sims that prevented states from having legislatures with an upper house not apportioned by population, though those I listed are still in effect.

My post was directed at another poster’s idea that simple majoritarianism is somehow a good idea.


53 posted on 04/12/2015 8:21:33 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

My point was it seems the Electoral College didn’t seem to preserve or save anything. No? The elected just made things worse, year after year after year. And now they operate in a dictatorial manner in broad day light. They publicly flaunt it. Totally emboldened.

Just look at the state of affairs from top to bottom. America is literally dying and most of it is directly caused by our own government and the elected corrupt. They’ve even corrupted our very electoral process over the past 30+ years.

And it gets worse.


54 posted on 04/12/2015 9:31:36 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Impy

What a shame.

I’m glad, though, that upstate NY as a whole voted for Astorino. If we could dump NYC, it would tremendously help us all, including Binghamton.


55 posted on 04/12/2015 12:13:08 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Sun; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

Back in the day the rats took few counties upstate (or outside NYC, I know Westchester isn’t considered “upstate”) even when winning .

FDR won only 6 counties outside of NYC in 1936. Mondale won only 3 outside the city while losing the state in 1984.


56 posted on 04/12/2015 1:11:40 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy

Make that 7 for FDR.


57 posted on 04/12/2015 1:42:55 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Sun; BillyBoy

Reagan holding Mondale to only three county wins outside of NYC in 1984 (Albany, Erie (Buffalo) and Tompkins (Ithaca)) wasn’t that surprising, given that Reagan carried the state. Ford was the one that proved how well the GOP use to run Upstate even when losing in the state as a whole: He held Carter to just three non-NYC county wins (Albany, Erie and Sullivan) even while Carter was carrying the state by 4.42% (had Ford carried it, he would have won the election).


58 posted on 04/12/2015 3:01:38 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Sun; BillyBoy

As for FDR, the number of non-NYC counties that he carried in the state was 5 in 1932 (Albany, next-door Rensselaer (Troy), Franklin and Clinton in the North Country, and F’n Sullivan); 8 in 1936 (Erie (Buffalo),Monroe (Rochester), Clinton, Albany, Schenectady, Montgomery, Sullivan, and Rockland—that last one may not be deemed to be “Upstate” because it is borders Westchester on the west); 4 in 1940 (Erie, Monroe, Clinton and Albany); and 4 in 1944 (the same as in 1940).


59 posted on 04/12/2015 3:24:56 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Purge New York from the the Union


60 posted on 04/12/2015 3:32:01 PM PDT by Thibodeaux
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