Why don’t Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy?

PJ Media's Spengler ^ | April 11, 2015 | David P. Goldman

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, but I think if we’re honest we both praise Netanyahu and recognize that there is much he didn’t say. He also said Obama was doing good things for the U. S. and couched some other ways too.

I don’t fault him because there’s only so much you can do when you don’t want to alienate a nation completely.

I’m referencing domestic as well as international matters, so there are some things Netanyahu wouldn’t address.

That’s where our people come in.

Hey, I like Netanyahu so this isn’t a slam at him by any means.

[DoughtyOne]

Alberta’s Child, do you you have any grasp of Middle East politics at all?

What would the reaction be if Israel attacked other nations with ground troops? Any idea?

Lebanon is one thing, but Syria, Iraq, Iran..., you’d have the whole Middle East invading Israel.

The U. S. was the one that asked Israel to sit out the first Iraq war over Kuwait. Iraq was lobbing skuds into Israel, and Israel wanted to take action. The coalition we build would have disintegrated if it had.

Israel loves to rely on us? Like during the 6 day war and other wars they’ve fought against their neighbors?

You forget an awful lot in your zeal.

[DoughtyOne]

If we’re talking about international relations as it relates to our military, I’m not going to go back to ground zero and touch on the need for Conservative nominees. That’s a given. I will instead talk about our military campaigns and why they were needed. I will talk about our global presence, and the fact that we must remain steadfast on the world stage.

I recognize the difference between Republicans and Conservatives. I’ve only been harping on that issue for seventeen years here.

[Alberta's Child]

What would the reaction be if Israel attacked other nations with ground troops? Any idea?

That's really Israel's problem -- not ours. Isn't it?

Israel is the only nuclear power in the Middle East. I'm not sure why that country would need anyone else to fight on its behalf.

Alberta’s Child, do you have any grasp of Middle East politics at all?

Yes, I do. More importantly, I have a grasp of American politics -- which is supposed to be the topic of this thread.

[DoughtyOne]

Well, I think we need to clean it out, then allow the Iranians to develop their own future. If we can do it in a manner that allows them to pick Western or Islam, so much the better.

I'm not convinced Islam would prevail. Sorry Jimmy Carter, I know this will upset you.

As for Jeff, yes he did. I honestly don't know how he's doing.

Here is his last situational post, that I could find. Jeff Head Update

Some of Jeff's more recent posts: Jeff's most recent posts

[DoughtyOne]

What would the reaction be if Israel attacked other nations with ground troops? Any idea?

That's really Israel's problem -- not ours. Isn't it?

I mention the first Gulf War and Israel wanting to take out Iraq's scud capability, and how that would have disintigrated our coalition, and your response is to inform me that's Israel's problem?

Israel is only one of two nations that have free elections in the Middle East.  It is pro Wester and a law-abiding nation.

Your self-interest tells you we should just let Israel twist on the vine.  That's just sad.  Do you have any idea why Israel exists?  Give it some thought.  Remind me why I should pay attention to anything you say, when it comes to global affairs, if you can't grasp why we should not cut Israael loose, and force it to fend for itself exclusively.  Saddam Hussein was a supporter of global terrorism, with mouth and deed.  He was paying terrorist families of suicide bombers in Israel $25,000 a pop.  He was urging distruction of the United States openly, had WMDs in his possession, and was a curse to his own people.  He wouldn't cooperate with the International Weapons Inspectors, and would not stay within the parameters that were set at the end of the first gulf war.  He was moving his troops up to the borders of nieghbor nations, an still locking on our aircraft as they monitored his compliance.

Israel is the only nuclear power in the Middle East. I'm not sure why that country would need anyone else to fight on its behalf.

"I'm not sure..."  There's the understatement of the year.  Do you want Israel to have to use nukes?  I don't.  The U. S. interceeding has been fairly well recognized by Middle East goverments as reasoned.  They fear rogue states like Iraq and Iran also.  What happens if Israel enters a skirmish with the U. S. as allies?  Any guesses how much cooperation we get from that day forward?  Come on, use that head of yours.  

Alberta’s Child, do you have any grasp of Middle East politics at all?

Yes, I do. More importantly, I have a grasp of American politics -- which is supposed to be the topic of this thread.

Honestly, this is beneath you.  The discussion centered on why folks don't respect Republican's foreign policy, and folks piped up to blame it on the Middle East wars.  I responded on point.  This is an act of desperation on your part.

Do you think the Iraq we left is more of a threat to the U. S. and Middle East Nations, the same threat as it was, or is much less of a threat than it was to the peace of the region?

Iraq is not developing WMDs and it is at peace with it's neighbors.  That is a marked improvement, whether you wish to agree or not.

[Alberta's Child]

Do you think the Iraq we left is more of a threat to the U. S. and Middle East Nations, the same threat as it was, or is much less of a threat than it was to the peace of the region?

It's more of a threat now than it was before, mainly because the Sunni leadership has been replaced by Shi'ites and it has basically become a puppet state of Iran. In fact, the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 did more to strengthen Iran in the region than anything Iran could have done on its own. I'm sure this is something a lot of Americans wonder about when some @sshole like John McCain or a clown like Lindsey Graham stands up and claims that Iran is a major threat to the U.S. today.

Iraq is not developing WMDs and it is at peace with it's neighbors. That is a marked improvement, whether you wish to agree or not.

Those statements right there are exactly why American voters don't trust the Republican Party when it comes to foreign policy. There are hundreds of thousands of refugees who have fled Iraq since 2003 who would disagree with everything you've posted here. The dismantling of the Ba'athist government in Iraq has resulted in nearly a complete eradication of Christianity in Iraq in the last twelve years. But nobody among the globalists in the GOP would give a sh!t about that, since they've been eating out of the hands of radical Islamic royal families in places like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for years.

[Alberta's Child]

Why would anyone believe that the U.S. would ever put a Middle Eastern in a position to "pick Western or Islam?" LOL.

The U.S. military campaign in Iraq officially became a joke in 2005 when the U.S. allowed the new Iraqi government to adopt a constitution in which Islam is enshrined as the official state religion.

Just remember, dude ... "Islam is a religion of peace."

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, I think we should have insulted 85% of the Iraqi citizens who are Islamic by dictating to the government they were going to have to support, and refuse to allow it to be Islamic.

No.

We may not like it, I don’t, but those folks have a right to set up their government the way they want.

What alternative is there. We demand they keep the government Islamic free, and then there’s an uprising in six months and they topple the government? Then a radical form of government replaces what we have there now?

How does that help maintain peace in the region.

Iraq has been moderate since the government was formed. That is reasoned. It’s the best we could hope for in this region.

[Hardens Hollow]

“Yes, but I think if we’re honest we both praise Netanyahu and recognize that there is much he didn’t say. He also said Obama was doing good things for the U. S. and couched some other ways too.

I don’t fault him because there’s only so much you can do when you don’t want to alienate a nation completely.”

I think he was being, as we say, politically correct. yes, the beginning of his speech, where he praised Obama, made me rather nauseous. He was being diplomatic - before piling on the hard truth. It actually did make it all a bit more entertaining.

[DoughtyOne]

Yes, I agree. I will admit to wanting to read someone anyone just read Obama the riot act, but Netanyahu is smarter and more controlled than I am.

[SaraJohnson]

We went to war against Iraq claiming WMD. Then Bush told the country, he made a mistake; there were no WDM in Iraq at the behest of Rice.

Bush going to war on a mistaken basis will never be forgotten by the Americans who lived through it. It is really an unforgivable “error.” He also over-reacted by turning the government against our people by pushing the Patriot Act on us. We are losing the constitutional Republic. He constantly lied calling Islam “the religion of peace.” He permitted the left to run a campaign of absolute hysterics against him over the war in Iraq without addressing their falsehoods. He even allowed the “needless” torture claims to rest on the public.

In the meantime, the voice of GOP foreign policy is John McInsane backed his girlfriend Lindsay, in the Senate. He’s the guy who went to Syria and was pictured with Isis members who he referred to as freedom fighters and demanded the US fund them to take out the Syrian government.

I would never vote for the Dems because they are scum of the earth in all areas of life, but I have trouble trusting the GOP with power again after Bush. I don’t think we are safe as a nation with either party in power. The elite of America (the advisers to our presidents) are globalists; totally corrupt, careless and stupid.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Bush Didn’t Lie: But why did his administration sit on the evidence of Saddam Hussein’s WMDs?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3216382/posts

NYT: There Were Thousands of Old WMDs in Iraq
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3215352/posts

[jwalsh07]

Good Lord. Occam’s Razor. A majority of Americans are left wingers. I don’t like it but that is the way it is.

[Alberta's Child]

With all due respect, that's a lot of crap.

You don't p!ss away thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on a military campaign, then turn around and tell the American people that "we may not like it, but those folks have a right to set up their government the way they want."

Bullsh!t. If they wanted to set up their government the way they wanted, they should have staged their own uprising and toppled Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist government themselves.

This is exactly why the American public doesn't trust the Republican Party when it comes to foreign policy. Heck -- even most Republican leaders don't believe this approach to foreign policy is worth a damn. That's why the loudest cheerleaders for these military campaigns are a bunch of Beltway @ssholes and media sycophants who would convert to Islam before they would even dream of putting on a military uniform themselves.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you for your additional comments.

[Alberta's Child]

You're very welcome.

And thank you for all of the insightful comments yourself. I may not agree with them, but they were certainly intelligent and thought-provoking.

:-)

[DoughtyOne]

No problem. I appreciate the discussion.

Take care.

[Nuc 1.1]

Thanks FReeper for the Jeff Head updates. Have a good week. Prayers up for Jeff.

[SaraJohnson]

Good questions!