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To: SeekAndFind

The fact is, imprisoning these men on a judge’s order alone is simply unconstitutional. If the offense he committed deserves jail time, then it is a criminal matter, whether we call it that or not, and we are guaranteed a trial by jury for all criminal offenses under the 6th amendment.


5 posted on 04/14/2015 11:46:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

If you want a jury trial you better have lotsa money.


8 posted on 04/14/2015 11:50:26 AM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: Boogieman
we are guaranteed a trial by jury for all criminal offenses under the 6th amendment

Nope! Like you, I thought a trial by jury was guaranteed for all criminal cases. Then a FReeper pointed out (on another thread) that the Supreme Court has arbitrarily decided that the 6th Amendment only applies for offenses punishable by more than 6 months.

I looked it up. He was right! So a person could be charged with, say, eight crimes, each punishable by 6 months, and be denied a jury trial!

So some judge could find him guilty and sentence him to 4 years in prison (8 times 6 months). No jury involved at all.

18 posted on 04/14/2015 12:08:30 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Boogieman
An addition to my post #18: The 6th Amendment starts with:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury...

Note the second word: "all". The Supreme Court has decided that "all" does not mean what everyone thinks it means.

22 posted on 04/14/2015 12:14:13 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Boogieman

“The fact is, imprisoning these men on a judge’s order alone is simply unconstitutional. If the offense he committed deserves jail time, then it is a criminal matter, whether we call it that or not, and we are guaranteed a trial by jury for all criminal offenses under the 6th amendment.”

These are civil adjudications, not criminal


39 posted on 04/14/2015 12:38:41 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Boogieman
The fact is, imprisoning these men on a judge’s order alone is simply unconstitutional.

The cages are full of men for failure to pay $. And they don't come out of this "rehabilitated" but quite angry. Throw in biased slanted divorce laws and many of these guys get looted for decades. Hundreds of thousand have their wages garnished if they have jobs. Throw in all the court penalties for failure to pay when they won't or can't pay, and their done. Not saying they don't owe, but this system creates total financial chaos. Many times turning into very violent chaos.

56 posted on 04/14/2015 12:56:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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