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Grassley to Holder: Why Is The VA Putting So Many Veterans on Your Federal Gun Ban List?
Townhall ^ | April 17, 2015 | Katie Pavlich, editor

Posted on 04/17/2015 5:43:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

While the VA & DOJ spend resources to disarm political opponents, both agencies continue to kill veterans by delaying/denying medical service to them.


21 posted on 04/17/2015 6:42:49 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Hillary is the most qualified candidate to finish the destruction of this nation.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Va...killing American Veterans that no one else will.


22 posted on 04/17/2015 6:48:55 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Actually it is being done based on a doctors statement. However, most times it is a statement by a general practitioner or even a nurse practitioner and not a license psychiatrist. Even when it is a psychiatrist they rarely give a good reason for saying that the veteran cannot manage their finances and usually support their finding merely by stating the spouse handles the family finances, which alone is certainly not an adequate reason. I would advise every veteran who gets a proposal to find them incompetent, which is what actually being done, immediately request a personal hearing. I applaud the Senator for asking the question to Holder but the question should also be directed at the Secretary of the VA since it is the finding of incompetency to manage their VA benefits, which for some reason considered adequate under the Brady Bill to strip a veteran of a constitutional right. I will say that I know guy who works at the VA who does everything possible to keep from doing a finding of incompetency and if they have to do so it is very rare an unquestionably necessary, while at the same time there are others, probably most, who do it at the drop of a hat without any consideration of whether it is actually needed or how it affects a proud veteran to be told that they are incompetent and cannot even have a firearm, after having carrying one into battle. Again, it is sometimes necessary but I believe that it is rarely supportable and should not be done unless the veteran is clearly unable to manage their money; possibly are at risk of being taken advantage of; and they do not have a spouse or other trusted family member to help with their finances. I also do not think the Brady Bill should kick in. I am sure their are many who are not capable of managing their most but are experts in safely handling a firearm. No doubt there are many in the current administration who are happy to use this as an avenue to gun confiscation.


23 posted on 04/17/2015 6:52:13 PM PDT by TonyM
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tyranny, pure tyranny.

I would say “tar, feathers”, but the government has given itself to declare the expression of outrage on the part of citizens to be a “terrorist act”, which is a felony, and by which a person can then be denied their rights under the Second Amendment.

Yet more tyranny.


24 posted on 04/17/2015 6:55:33 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Active Duty/Retiree ping.


26 posted on 04/17/2015 6:57:00 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They tell you that you receive extra pay if you qualify for PTSD. They don’t mention that you then do not mentally qualify to possess a gun. THANKS to FR, I found out about this scam.


27 posted on 04/17/2015 6:58:42 PM PDT by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are too many fairies and other man-haters in the medical rackets.


28 posted on 04/17/2015 6:59:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have some knowledge of this.

Most of the vets who I have seen declared mentally incompetent was because of dementia, not PTSD. The families/spouses requested help managing finances and because grandpa vet didn’t have any idea who he was or who they are the firearms were usually taken out of the home for safekeeping. Most often this was by a family member or trusted friend. The car keys were taken away too.

That being said I’m sure there are plenty of abuses in states that aren’t as gun-friendly as the one I live in (Idaho).


29 posted on 04/17/2015 7:05:00 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After the Virginia Tech. murders, quite a few Freepers were calling for legislation against firearms possession for people with diagnoses of mental problems.


30 posted on 04/17/2015 7:07:20 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

in this instance i am glad i am not a veteran. Theyve been using tis to screw gun rights away from people a long time. You answer a few questions the wrong way and there ya go. Shrinks are for the large part useless toolbags.


31 posted on 04/17/2015 7:09:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 43north
"The families/spouses requested help managing finances and because grandpa vet didn’t have any idea who he was or who they are the firearms were usually taken out of the home for safekeeping."

So the homes of old veterans will be targets, even if other competent adults live with them. The rights of all others in the homes are violated.


32 posted on 04/17/2015 7:12:17 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

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33 posted on 04/17/2015 7:37:46 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was asked on a urgent care visit to the VA last year if I owned a gun. I said it was none of their business. Then they asked if I was depressed or suicidal. I said I was having respiratory distress and if they would kindly get on with treating me I would appreciate it. The questioning ended and I've not been confronted with those questions again since.

Of course, the individuals who were asking those questions were medical technicians who were just doing their jobs. But the word had come down from on high to report veterans who might do harm to themselves or others with a gun. The Marxist leftists in the administration and their disdain for guns and our rights to own then, has trickled on down to the patient level of the VA. They will never give up their attempt to disarm the citizens of this country by any means necessary.

34 posted on 04/17/2015 7:43:57 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTT. Forlater...


35 posted on 04/18/2015 1:51:44 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

This should be as big a scandal as the IRS harrassing Tea Party activists, perhaps bigger.

There should be a massive class action lawsuit for denial of rights under color of law.


36 posted on 04/18/2015 10:58:57 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: HotHunt

I wonder if they are afraid of old vets who have nothing left to lose.


37 posted on 04/18/2015 11:02:00 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Who you callin' old?

:-)

38 posted on 04/18/2015 2:17:17 PM PDT by HotHunt
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