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Posted on 04/18/2015 2:10:53 PM PDT by aragorn
CLEVELAND COUNTY, Okla. —The fight to let Oklahomans carry their guns to the Norman Music Festival is over.
A judge decided that licensed gun owners will be allowed to carry their guns to this year’s music festival without fear of being asked to leave, or being ticketed, and that the city of Norman cannot enforce their "no guns" request.
"It’s really disappointing," Peaches Amspacher said. "I worry about what’s going to happen to the Norman Music Fest now.”
Amspacher came to the courthouse Friday in hopes that she would see guns banned from the Norman Music Festival. But now, for the first time in seven years, she says she won’t be going.
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Apart from that, I dare say with known licensed gun owners touring the festival, the chances are very unlikely that someone is going to start something.
“I was thinking 1066 AD Normans.”
My ancestors.
Yes, it’s a silly name, and I don’t know whether it’s her real name or her nickname!
Excellent point.
You can't have it both ways.
It weird how these mental midgets think they’ll be safer if only the criminals are carrying weapons...
Um.
Nothing.
And 'Peaches Amspacher'? Since when were strippers involved in antigun lawsuits?
Any woman who is involved in an anti-gun lawsuit loses her 'very nice woman' cred, in my book.
I’m sure the Norman Music Festival will be mortally stricken by the lack of your presence, Peaches.
I’m sure she’s a very nice woman. She’s also an idiot. I know lots of very personable idiots.
They’re still idiots.
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The difference though is that we have a Natural Right from God to carry guns that can’t be infringed by man-made up “laws” and forcing sodomy onto a business is forcing vice onto business-—which is unconstitutional.
There is no Natural Right to sodomize others or use the human body in such degrading, unnatural ways which removes Purpose and Reason and Dignity from human beings. You can NEVER force Vice in a “Just Law”.....which is what the Marxists are trying to do which destroys the meaning and intent of our Justice System (and removes our Ethics system for a Satanic, Marxist one of vice and dehumanization).
Sodomy flips 3000 years of Ethics for the Satanic, demonic Ba’al ethics where the Rite of Worship is sodomy on the altar of the goat-god to mock God of the Bible and equate Life to Excrement. Totally irrational-—and all Just Laws are Right Reason according to Natural Law in the USA.
“Peaches ... might be a little concerned about drunk crowds getting into gunfights, such as often happens at fairs attended by Sons of Barack.”
Right. And we all know how well “No Guns Allowed” signs are honored by S.O.B’s. If that really IS her concern, then large numbers of conspicuous armed guards of one kind or another are the only deterrent.
Peaches might be a nice person, but she’s a total fool if she thinks rules and signs will solve a S.O.B problem.
There is a Constitutional right to own guns, per the Second Amendment, and of course, pretty much everyone agrees and supports that, including me — on Free Republic!
But there is no Biblical support or a theological system that supports the right to own guns (or carry guns, whichever way you want to phrase it). In all my 50+ years of reading theology, hearing pastors preach Biblical doctrine and every pastor and teacher on radio and TV (that I’ve EVER heard), or a news article on the theology of it, or a theological book, or a seminary teacher, or anyone dealing with any kind of Christian Theology ... there has NEVER ONE SINGLE TIME ... ever been any theology related to the right to own guns. And here I’m talking about from theological sources, or quoting theological sources.
Of course there is a God-given right to life that is clearly taught and preached upon and is in theological systems, but no such thing on owning guns.
Guns, obviously are a “methodology” for protecting life, but so are a few other methodologies. Methodologies are not spoken about in the Bible, on that issue and related to the sanctity of life. The sanctity of life is spoken about in the Bible, but the Bible - at the same time - recognizes that this sanctity to life will be violated. It does not specify a methodology for protecting oneself. It does say that God will judge it, if it is violated, though.
You may find some gun advocates themselves claiming that it is a “God-given right” ... but the problem there is that this seems to be driven by their advocacy for owning guns and not Bibilcal verses and proofs, and not from theological systems. You can go through SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY and do so VERY THOROUGHLY and you’ll NEVER find a single thing for the Bible advocating the right to own or carry one. And mind you ... that’s not a statement for trying to say that the Bible is therefore against it, but that it does not have any kind of support for it. There are a lot of things that the Bible is silent about, advocates no support for and likewise, nothing against.
In our form of government we are extremely fortunate to have this enshrined in the Second Amendment. That is sufficient, and there is not a need to create a FALSE THEOLOGICAL DOCTRINE which does not exist in order to do a “one up” on the Second Amendment. Again, the Second Amendment is good, is solid and is sufficient.
I strongly object to creating a theological doctrine which does not exist in the Bible, in order to somehow “justify” the Second Amendment, because it’s not needed and I object to the CORRUPTION of Biblical doctrines!
Stand by the Second Amendment and don’t try to corrupt what the Bible says, in addition to what it does not say!
Many nice people are fools, in that sense.
The doctrine that there is a God given right to keep and bear arms does not come directly from the bible. It comes from the political theory of natural rights. This is the theory that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are based on.
It holds that man, by his existence, is endowed by his creator with certain rights, among them, life, liberty, and property.
The right to keep and bear arms is derived from the right to life, which you note is found in the bible.
Having these rights does not mean that they cannot be taken from you; obviously they can and are taken from people every day. What it means is that they cannot be legitimately taken from you without justification.
As to your statement that you have never heard of a theological system related to the right to keep and bear arms, I think you are making a distinction without a difference.
You mention that you have heard, many times of the right to protect yourself, but not to the specific methodology of owning guns. As guns were not yet invented when the bible was written, this is unsurprising.
I have often heard preachers link the right to keep and bear arms to the right to life and to self defense.
I understand someone making deductions from theological doctrines of the Bible and then applying those deductions to something now, as people do that in many different instances. But that doesn’t make any of those extensions of logic and reasoning to be a “God-given right” ... they are merely human applications for the moment (which may not apply at another time and another place) and they never take on the status of the infallible and inerrant word of God.
For example, at another “time and place” ... guns will be banned for any use at all in society ... while at the present time and place (that would be today in the USA) it is applicable. In the coming one-world government, when the Messiah of Israel returns, this application will no longer be valid, as all weapons will be banished from earth and even the animal kingdom will be at peace with one another and with human beings. And the same infallible and inerrant word of God is there in both cases (today, and in that future government). The Biblical doctrines never change, but the human applications can change and vary from time to time and from place to place.
A God-given right will never change, but human applications will change.
The second Amendment is simply recognition of rights endowed by our Creator.
I don’t have a problem with the Second Amendment as I made clear in my original post. In other words, the Declaratipn of Independence and the Constitution are fine political documents and we are a Constitutional Republic. The U.S. Constitution is our governing document.
What I’m talking about are Biblical Doctrines from the inerrant and infallible Word of God, being permanent and unalterable and which are beyond human creation. The Word of God is permanent while the U.S. Constitution is not. The Bible is the inspired Word of God, while the U.S. Constitution is the “word of man” for governing ourselves of which certain values are “derived” from the Word of God, but are not the Word of God.
The Second Amendment is from our own document, by which we govern ourselves ... it is not the word of God and it is not a God-given right.
To show what I mean by that distinction, is that the Word of God is permanent and goes on FOREVER, never to be altered or violated, in the Kingdom of the Messiah, which he sets up under his one-world government when he returns ... but ... the U.S. Constitution will be totally scrapped at that time, along with the Second Amendment and it will NO LONGER BE VALID ... even while the Word of God continues to be valid, at that time!
That’s the difference between a God-given right, which is in the Bible, and will continue to be valid into etermity, while the “human document” of the U.S. Constitution will cease to be valid and no longer used!
The Constitution is what we use now, in our human government, but not for eternity ... while the Bible will be used for the Messiah’s divine government and for eternity and enforced for eternity!
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