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How Kelsey Grammer's Personal Tragedy Argues For The Death Penalty
Townhall.com ^ | April 20, 2015 | John Nantz

Posted on 04/20/2015 1:46:14 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Robert DeLong

[ The difference between the death penalty and abortion is the child did nothing wrong to anyone. In fact the child is being wrongly accused and executed without even the benefit of a trial. ]

We believe in only killing someone who has taken another’s life after it is proven that have done so for no good reason, ie. self defense. We also believe in protecting innocent lives.

The Left believes in taking lives that are inconvenient and sparing the lives of those who take other’s lives in cold blood.


61 posted on 04/20/2015 3:17:58 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: GraceG
Inhuman monsters like the two creatures that murdered Kelsey’s sister deserve to be put out of their misery.

Agree.

If you act like a rabid animal and destroy life, then you should be put down like a rabid animal.

Have to give Kelsey Grammar credit: He shows up and makes damn' sure the filthy swine will never see a free day the rest of his life. The strength that must require is beyond my comprehension.

62 posted on 04/20/2015 3:18:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MeganC

The link that you posted shows “86 wrongful convictions” of persons
who WERE on death row and later evidence determined they were
not guilty, but in most cases, kept them in prison on lesser charges.

It does NOT show anyone who was executed and then later found to be innocent.
It is also unclear what time period is covered for those cases.

I spent about twenty minutes searching for any details about anyone
who had been executed and later found to be “not guilty”.
I found two possible cases, one of them was from the 1800s.

I’m not calling you out on this,
but I seriously can not find any documentation of it.


63 posted on 04/20/2015 3:20:50 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th ("We The People" have met the enemy; and he is "We The People".)
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To: Kaslin
Start with Hitler. If he had been captured alive at the end of WW-II what would have been an appropriate punishment? I doubt that anyone except the most extreme pacifists or bleeding hearts would agree that death was the only fitting punishment for the monstrous evil he committed. In the case of Kelsey Grammer's sister, the heinous nature of the crime by people who would easily murder again makes the death penalty the only fitting punishment.

For those who advocate life in prison as a fit punishment should review the tapes made by mass murderer Richard Speck. Speck tortured, raped, and murdered eight student nurses in 1966 and was condemned to death. His death sentence was overturned and he was sentenced to life in prison. In 1996, video tapes featuring Speck were released showing explicit scenes of sex, drug use, and money being passed around by prisoners, who seemingly had no fear of being caught; in the center was Speck, performing oral sex on another inmate sharing a huge pile of cocaine with an inmate, parading in silk panties, sporting female-like breasts (allegedly grown using smuggled hormone treatments), and boasting, "If they only knew how much fun I was having, they'd turn me loose. Speck died in prison, but obviously had no remorse for his crimes nor really was being punished for them.

64 posted on 04/20/2015 3:23:13 PM PDT by The Great RJ (Pants up...Don't loot!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Here’s a recent case where the man was executed based on arson evidence that now looks suspicious:

http://camerontoddwillingham.com/

Wiki has a page dedicated to the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution


65 posted on 04/20/2015 3:26:07 PM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: petercooper

how can God let this happen to anybody?


Questioning God is only natural however the creator wants you to for certain know one thing about him. That he loved you so much that he sent his only son to die for you personally. Ask all the questions you care to, just know that this is true.


66 posted on 04/20/2015 3:29:06 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: petercooper

“Now, not being very religious, how can God let this happen to anybody?”

From God’s point of view nothing happened to her. That is: nothing these savages did un-did what God had wrought. With their acts they signified their own evil, that is all. The same might be said of Hitler. Men can only sin, they CANNOT destroy anything.


67 posted on 04/20/2015 3:30:10 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: Resolute Conservative

True.


68 posted on 04/20/2015 3:31:12 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: dp0622

This sort of thing needs to be viewed in terms of large numbers. Of course some few would not be deterred, this we know by the laws of probability. But when perps make the direct and immediate association between their potential crime and the death penalty, then vast numbers of them choose to turn from that crime.


69 posted on 04/20/2015 3:35:09 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

if the punishment is swift and brutal. Like Vlad the Impaler :)


70 posted on 04/20/2015 3:37:25 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: petercooper

And how can God let billions of souls burn in hell also right?
You’re pointing the finger at the wrong supernatural being.


71 posted on 04/20/2015 3:39:00 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Kaslin

How many times have I heard of Grammer’s substance abuse? Ten, twenty, fifty...?

Now I hear the rest of the story.

For some reason I’ve always wanted to like the guy.

There is something wrong with a society that tells us of Grammer’s errors over and over, but never tells us of what a terrible thing happened to his sister and him.

Now he has to go confront this man over and over and over again. That’s justice?

Folks talk about how much it costs to put someone on death row.

I don’t care how much that costs. This costs more.


72 posted on 04/20/2015 3:41:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: petercooper

If God prevents the wages of sin from being revealed, how can man ever know what the depravity of sin will cause?

Sin was allowed to remain for a reason. One day it will no longer exist. And when it no longer does, we’ll know every reason why.

Praise be to God.

Jesus died to redeem this woman.


73 posted on 04/20/2015 3:44:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: reasonisfaith

I remember back in the 1970s, when several men broke out of the Canon City prison in Colorado and went on a killing spree.

Several of the people they murdered on this spree were members of the jury that had found them guilty.


74 posted on 04/20/2015 4:36:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( BEWARE the EVIL EYE from HILLARY!)
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To: reasonisfaith

I am not sure capital punishment is a “deterrent”, but it a ABSOLUTLY guarantee they will not do it again.

It protects society from these creatures


75 posted on 04/20/2015 4:52:14 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: petercooper

Also, I believe his parents passed on when he was very young, and maybe tragically (IIRC). He and his sister were raised by his grand parents, I think.


76 posted on 04/20/2015 5:01:32 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Jonty30

I would support the death penalty if the justice system was far more accurate and not tainted by ignorant or biased jurors. I’m happy if it deters even one single murder, but how many have been sentenced and executed and later found to be innocent?

If even one innocent soul is executed, the system is flawed. Yes, the death penalty is appropriate, the system not up to it.

Flaming is understandable, but it is a tough issue.


77 posted on 04/20/2015 5:23:14 PM PDT by Pirate Ragnar (Libs put feelings first and thought second.)
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To: dp0622
If executions were carried out within hours of conviction and in public and in a brutal way, it would be a deterrent...

Perhaps naked upside-down crucifixions on TV once a week at halftime on the Monday Night Football game?

78 posted on 04/20/2015 5:26:24 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

I just read about the money laundering charges against he bank!! he was ahead of his time :)
cant listen to the video because pain in the blank fiancé is watching the VOICE (i.e., 2 hours in hell)


79 posted on 04/20/2015 5:30:26 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: Rumplemeyer

The idea “capital punishment is not a deterrent” is a classic progressivist talking point. And like all such talking points, the only reason so many people believe it is because it’s been repeated so often.


80 posted on 04/20/2015 6:00:01 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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