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Senators Need Not Apply
Slate ^ | April 20, 2015 | John Dickerson

Posted on 04/21/2015 1:26:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

......Each candidate [Walker, Perry, Bush, Christie], sometimes in nearly identical language, told the audience of activists gathered in Nashua this weekend that they should be considered for the presidency because they didn’t just talk about conservative ideas, they had put them into practice as governors.

Perry made the case most powerfully:

>>>The next president of the United States really needs to be someone who has deep experience as an executive. And I’m talking about things you just can't learn with a book, things you can’t just learn sitting down. Because I’ll give you some examples. They didn’t hand me a manual say, “Here’s how you deal with a space shuttle disintegrating in your state.” They didn't hand me a manual when Katrina came into Louisiana and there were literally hundreds of thousands of people that were displaced. They didn't hand me a manual when all those people showed up on our borders last year. Or for that matter when Ebola ended up on the shores of America in Dallas, Texas ... we need to have this conversation and talk about it in a civil and a thoughtful way, that that executive experience is incredibly important for the next leader of this country. Because we’ve spent eight years with a young, inexperienced United States senator. And I will suggest to you economically, militarily, foreign-policy wise, we paid a tremendous price.<<<

The idea connected with the audience. On Saturday morning, pollster Frank Luntz held a focus group with about 150 Republican activists. He asked the room whether they’d like to see a senator as president, and about five people raised their hands. He asked the same question about selecting a governor, and everyone in the room seemed to raise their hand. “Wow,” said Luntz....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; conservatism; gopprimary; governors
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

To me, Senator Cruz is near perfect on the issues. Governor Walker is nearly perfect. Walker has an advantage, in my opinion, of going toe to toe with the left in Wisconsin...and beating them!

What a candidate says is important, but I think their track record is even more important. That said, I have no problem with Cruz or Walker, negative reports notwithstanding.

Cruz is ideologically topnotch, but I honestly don’t know how well he leads. Can he put together the right team to accomplish what he wants? I don’t know.

I’m not meaning to belittle Senator Cruz at all. I’m only pointing out that his single term as a senator is less than I would like. For all I know he’s the next Reagan, but Reagan also proved his chops as a governor.


21 posted on 04/21/2015 3:42:12 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Walker has been a real light weight when it comes to policy larger than the state level, like immigration and foreign policy.

We need a leader across the board. Cruz better fits that bill in my opinion.


22 posted on 04/21/2015 3:46:01 AM PDT by DB
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To: CitizenUSA
I prefer the candidate has executive experience. It still boggles my mind that a completely inexperienced guy like Barack Obama can be elected president. His resume consisted of getting elected. Accomplishing anything of note while elected? Eh, not so much.

Obama is one of the greats, at least with respect to pushing through his agenda. Obamacare is the now the law of the land. He has driven several coal companies into bankruptcy and may see the majority of US coal producers liquidate by the end of his second term. He has instituted an executive amnesty, and only an intrepid federal judge's action managed to slow it down. He is on the verge of nuclearizing the Middle East, while Congress looks on. Overall, I'd give Obama an A for accomplishing a great deal of what he set out to do. For the Democratic left, Obama will be mentioned in the same breath as FDR and Wilson. That his accomplishments are not beneficial for the country is a separate issue. FDR wasn't good for the country, but he accomplished a good chunk of his wide-ranging agenda.

23 posted on 04/21/2015 3:50:33 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Each candidate [Walker, Perry, Bush, Christie], sometimes in nearly identical language, told the audience of activists gathered in Nashua this weekend that they should be considered for the presidency because they didn’t just talk about conservative ideas, they had put them into practice as governors.

Pandering governors are no more principled than pandering senators. All the above have different stands on the various issues for different audiences.

24 posted on 04/21/2015 3:58:10 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One would expect that a Senator as President Would at least have some understanding and respect for the body from which he came. Maybe even a sense that he has a special insight into the body and its workings that would give him an edge in getting in getting things done.

Not so with Obama. He never intended to get along with anyone; not in the state legislature, not in the Senate, and not as President.

-PJ

25 posted on 04/21/2015 4:12:17 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: meadsjn

That is a true statement, but if all things were equal, then who would be better suited?


26 posted on 04/21/2015 4:13:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Some folks are inept by nature and lack of executive experience would help but not cure them. Others are natural leaders and have the brains and drive to be very good executives despite "lack of experience". There are always exceptions to the rule and I believe Cruz is a major exception. Walker remains my second choice behind Cruz.

Besides, you have to take some points away when a Governor who wants to increase his chances says that someone else is not as qualified. I like Perry but he hasn't shown me anything to indicate he would be as capable as Cruz, much less more capable.

Right now, my "dream ticket" would be Cruz/Walker. My second choice would be Walker/Cruz. I would be a bit disappointed if Cruz didn't make it but still content if Walker managed to pull it off if Cruz stumbles.

27 posted on 04/21/2015 4:20:31 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That is a true statement, but if all things were equal, then who would be better suited?

Ted Cruz is consistently conservative. He understands conservative principles, and he has the ability to articulate those principles, even to people who wish to hear some pandering (like the Iowa farmers over the fuel subsidies issue).

People slopping at the government trough need to be informed that their slopping habits are no more justified than those of any other government-dependent group.

28 posted on 04/21/2015 4:25:41 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Political Junkie Too
One would expect that a Senator as President Would at least have some understanding and respect for the body from which he came. Maybe even a sense that he has a special insight into the body and its workings that would give him an edge in getting in getting things done. Not so with Obama. He never intended to get along with anyone; not in the state legislature, not in the Senate, and not as President. -PJ

Obama has gotten a good chunk of what he wanted to accomplish. He just couldn't do anything legislatively after 2010. And for that we should be grateful. Please do not confuse conservative objectives with liberal ones. For Obama, preventing gay marriage isn't an achievement - it's a setback. Ditto for just about the entire conservative laundry list.

Reagan used to be able to cobble together legislation with conservative Democrats because these Democrats were in many cases more conservative than their Northeastern Republicans, and in some cases, as conservative* as the most conservative of Republicans. Today, there is no Democrat to the right of even the most liberal Republican in either chamber of Congress.

* Many of them became Republicans or were replaced by Republicans when they retired, often with the endorsements of the retiring conservative Democrats.

29 posted on 04/21/2015 4:26:08 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“It still boggles my mind that a completely inexperienced guy like Barack Obama can be elected president”.........

Having nothing to do with “experience”, there is a pretty simple answer. First, you give everything you can away to the existing street rat “gimmedats and welfare losers. Second, you INVITE every person you can to come across our borders so they too, can join the ranks of the “gimmedats” with but one major requirement for both types, they MUST all vote demodummie FOREVER. Kind of like “flooding the market” with No experience required.


30 posted on 04/21/2015 4:35:28 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree experience is important but I reject all of these governors: Perry, Bush III, Walker, Christie.

So, Cruz, Rubio, Rand, and the baker’s dozen of other wanna be candidates? I’ll go with Cruz.


31 posted on 04/21/2015 5:11:13 AM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The flithy queer leftists at Salon won’t convince me to support jeb bush or chris christie.


32 posted on 04/21/2015 5:21:04 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Zhang Fei
What Obama got done legislatively before 2010 was not of his making. He rode on the backs of Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy, both of whom had longstanding agenda items to fulfill that predated the appearance of Obama.

When Obama inserted himself into proceedings, he tended to muck things up. He made the decision to go alone because he can't work with others, and now he knows that he was successful in racially polarizing the nation to the point where nobody is willing to risk challenging him.

-PJ

33 posted on 04/21/2015 5:47:01 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; Zhang Fei

Obamacare was definitely not Obama’s work. It was mostly written before he was even elected. It’s ridiculous to believe Obamacare was the president’s own handiwork. He just took (dis)credit for it.


34 posted on 04/21/2015 6:18:09 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No FTGs.


35 posted on 04/21/2015 6:25:00 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term governors)
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To: A Navy Vet

Walker faced only one recall. He also won two general elections.

I think he was only the third governor in US history to face recall, and he won it handily.


36 posted on 04/21/2015 6:40:44 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: kingattax

You Nailed It!


37 posted on 04/21/2015 6:44:10 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: kingattax
the important difference is not governors vs. legislators... its a LEADER (Ted Cruz) vs politicians.

And we need leaders not bumper sticker quotes.

38 posted on 04/21/2015 6:47:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I don’t know how you clarify that any further.

It is what it is.

I’m told for hours that he’s a change man. I’m ridiculed and asked what do I want, after all he’s changed. Then we find out he’s not so changed after all. In fact, he hasn’t changed at all.


39 posted on 04/21/2015 9:02:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

First of all, I’m sorry I went a little overboard with my comments last night. So I’ll apologize to you and the few others I insulted.

None the less, you heard his interview. You beat me over the head last night with the “fact” Walker had changed on immigration.

He hasn’t. The video clip made that crystal clear.

Now you’re here trying to move off that to other things he has done. And I agree, some of them were good.

That doesn’t change the reality of the interview.

Don’t you think you owe me an apology too?


40 posted on 04/21/2015 9:05:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question, Jeb Bush? The answer: NO! Rove, is a devious propagandist & enemy of Conservatives!)
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