Posted on 04/30/2015 6:47:02 AM PDT by ETL
(CNN)Two new accounts of what happened to Freddie Gray question the narrative that has fueled protests in Baltimore -- the claim that Gray died as a result of police brutality.
The first comes from a relative of one of the officers involved in the arrest. She told CNN the officer thinks Gray was injured while he was being arrested -- before he was put inside a police van.
The second is an account from a prisoner who was in the same police van, as published in The Washington Post. The prisoner reportedly told investigators he thought Gray "was intentionally trying to injure himself."
The new twists to the story come just before Baltimore police are set to release to state prosecutors the results of their investigation into Gray's arrest and death. The state's attorney for Baltimore, Marilyn Mosby, will decide whether charges should be filed against any of the six officers involved in the arrest.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Perhaps. But keep in mind that if the business of his spinal surgery is accurate, it could well have taken very little to mess him up at the time of the arrest. Just being tackled by one of the cops could have been sufficient.
OTOH, when they were carrying/dragging him to the van he looked to be in bad shape. If so & they did nothing, that is also brutality.
When I watch the arrest video, the brick wall always catches my eye. One could easily brake a spine on that with force that otherwise would not be excessive.
All for ratings. Sickening.
And (P)MSNBC did the same with all its remaining thirteen viewers!
Ping for later
Are prisoners physically separated in the back of the van?
Could the other prisoner be the one who fatally injured Freddie Gray?
“BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.
The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.”
That’s the best summation so far. He had a previous spine/back surgery and was supposed to be resting rather than out and about. Even police tackling him to bring him down could have impacted the previous surgery. According to reports he was awaiting a large insurance claim for a previous injury, so some say he was trying to injure himself further for a lawsuit against the city. I find it doubtful he was trying to further harm himself. Maybe he was rolling around in the van because he could not control his lower torso producing the noise his fellow prisoner heard. When he was being dragged to the van it did not look like he had he use of his legs. I suspect police brutality but not enough to kill him had he not been in the post operative state he was in.
Resisting arrest is a crime and necessary force with a belligerent suspect is mandatory. Injury as a result of resisting arrest is the liability of the person being arrested.
Ditto fleeing arrest
Resisting arrest puts the officers at unacceptable risk and can’t be tolerated.
There is no right to flee or resist
“If you look at the video, he is being supported on either side by officers, and appears to be screaming in pain.”
When he is being supported, it is to get him to the van. Gray then stands on the bumper. He is not being supported, but balanced. He then twists his back and neck around to yell at supporters.
Extremely improbable that he was abused in any way prior to entering the van.
Once in the van, there is no police inside the van.
“Narrative”...the new word for cultural tall tales motored by a predetermined agenda and meant to reduce its victims to acting like “don’t confuse me with the facts” tantrum throwers
I read in the Baltimore Sun that the death ride lasted 45 minutes. That was enough time to get to DC. This definitely lends credence to the claims that the police take prisoners on rides to bounce them around a bit. This time killing the prisoner.
How about a Seizure ..??
If the spinal was almost severed; this would be the most logical explanation for the thrashing inside the van.
Who determined that Gray was trying to injure himself ..??
Gray was already injured prior to being placed in the van. All the video I’ve seen would seem to support that idea. Therefore, just because the other prisoner heard Gray banging around - doesn’t support a voluntary act on Gray’s part .. it supports Gray having a seizure.
Let’s face it: revolving-door criminals wind up just by their presence creating a culture committed to anarchy...because the rule of law curtails their “freedom” and winds up placing numerous burdens—including financial ones — on their loved ones. Hence these knee-jerk reactions are not only based upon perceived racism, but in some or many cases include a reaction against the rule of law that holds their perceived “freedom” in check while adding burdens to difficult circumstances.
” death ride lasted 45 minutes. ... This definitely lends credence to the claims that the police take prisoners on rides to bounce them around a bit. This time killing the prisoner.”
It lends credence to the fact that the idiot should have not banged his head against the wall to the point they had to stop to attempt to settle him down and shackle him better, at least two times.
“Gray was already injured prior to being placed in the van.”
There is no video evidence of that. People arrested, wail and scream and drag their feet all the time.
The video shows him standing on the bumper and twisting both his back and neck to the rear and speaking.
So, it is crystal clear his vertebrae was not severed, prior to getting in the van.
Democratic control of Baltimore is the main cause of the riots and racial division in spite that all the power is in the hand of Black democrats for several generations.
Baltimore needs as mayor the mother that took his son from the mob.
According to the FBI in 2011, 193 blacks were killed by whites, 448 White killed by Blacks while 2,447 blacks were killed by blacks. That is 2.3 times more whites killed by blacks than the other way around despite the fact that there’s six times as many whites in this country.
Do Black lives really matter? How many of the parents of Blacks murdered by Blacks received a call of Obama or send his personal representative to the funeral?
Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke: Obama ‘Quietly Enjoying’ Unrest in Baltimore
therightpundit ^ | 4/29/15
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3284576/posts
Not holding back one bit. Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke says O is “quietly enjoying” what’s going on in Baltimore because he’s a ‘promoter of division’ and has ‘benefitted politically’ from ‘dividing’ people.
Sheriff Clarke points out all the times President Obama has pitted one group of Americans against another. He also questions why Obama didn’t come out and speak about the Baltimore riots earlier. He was interviewed here on the Mark Levin Show
Clarke: Change In Baltimore Should Start With "Failed Liberal Democrat Policies"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3284755/posts
Breitbart.com ^ | April 30,2015 | Ian Hanchett
Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke (D) blasted “failed liberal government policies” for miring people in cities like Baltimore in “generational poverty” and argued that change in Baltimore “needs to start in the politics, the failed liberal Democrat policies” on Wednesday’s “Hannity” on the Fox News Channel.
I have not seen the video you’re explaining. I never saw a video of anybody wailing and screaming.
The only video I’ve seen shows Gray with his arms behind his back in handcuffs, and he’s not struggling at all; he appears to be almost lifeless (with his head slightly bent forward).
And .. I NEVER saw a video of him “standing” at any time - I saw the two policemen trying to get him inside the van; and he appears to be lifeless. I know prisoners can do this on purpose, but Gray didn’t appear to be resisting .. he appeared to be unable to comply.
Look, just because Gray has a long rap sheet does not mean that it’s proper procedure to critically injure him. Taking down a person who is running from the police usually ends in a slightly violent takedown. That does not mean it should injure a person beyond recovery.
So, you can do the usual and blame the police if you want .. but I see it differently.
You’re seeing what you want to see...just youtube, the videos are everywhere lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YV0EtkWyno
2.20 mark...clearly standing on his own accord and twisting his back and neck to look back. No way his spine is severed at this point.
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