Protect the babies!
Posted on 05/13/2015 8:24:34 AM PDT by pabianice
My point was (if I have to explain it) this dog was so lucky the only people that would save him couldn't afford to do it but they wanted to save him so much, they took a loan out to do it. That's one lucky dog.
You're an Abraham Lincoln quote magnet. Here's another.
“I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.”
BTW They have presently raised $5000 of $3000 needed for the veterinarian bill.
So they are up 2 grand right now, sounds like a steak dinner for that dog =)
Thanks. :)
You know, it’s really not a good idea to try and post when you’re half-asleep. I found that out a moment ago. I had a bunch of Scripture verses-—over a dozen-—to show you that you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
Way back at the beginning of Genesis, we’re told that God looked at His creation and found it all good. That included animals. And you can believe He doesn’t have a cold heart toward any part of His creation. That’s why it’s a mystery to me that some who call themselves His think it’s funny, or smart, or macho, or whatever to act the opposite.
I’m not going to copy and paste all those verses again, but I do wish you could have seen the evidence of God’s love and care for the helpless and the mute. Isn’t it wonderful that He has a merciful heart for them when so many of us are unfeeling?
I’m a Christian and a conservative, and I’ve been an animal lover all my life. Anyone who thinks that makes me less of either can sue me.
You can't "forget" to preview. You can't post without first previewing.
Just got it when I saw it again. LOL.
Yes you can I hit the little button and then hit post pretty much every time. I confess my posting habits have changed since the days when rd was pretty much all there was. I.e. it’s th3 only site where you can’t edit your posts.
I’m aware of them. I’ve been debating this issue since the late 80’s.
Opinions vary. You should run that post by people that actually KNOW me. They’d find it funny. But then, they base their opinion on more than just a few posts on a single subject.
For me’ the dog being abused and the people wanting to show compassion are two separate stories. They are also “dog bites man stories. It’s the third story I find interesting because it is a “man bites dog story.
Opinions vary. You should run that post by people that actually KNOW me. They’d find it funny. But then, they base their opinion on more than just a few posts on a single subject.
For me’ the dog being abused and the people wanting to show compassion are two separate stories. They are also “dog bites man stories. It’s the third story I find interesting because it is a “man bites dog story.
Now that I’m not using my phone, I can be a bit more verbose.
Yes, it was all good. But we burn trees, clear brush, eat animals, etc.
There are three stories in this article.
1. Men being cruel to animals
2. People having compassion on the animal and trying to save its life.
3. People borrowing what is a months pay (or more) for most of the people around where I live in order to nurse the injured animal back to health.
Numbers one and two are not news. They happen all the time, just like HUMAN traffic deaths. Number one is very sad. Number two is very happy.
Number three is the actual news story. My comments are about it and it alone. That is the entire context of my comments. And I can tell you with utmost assurance that in farm country, where I live, spending the kind of money these people spent on what they spent it on is considered nuts. I live in horseracing country. When a horse comes up lame, they don’t spend thousands of dollars trying to nurse it back to health and then let it live a happy and joyous life in a pasture on their dime. They put a bullet to its head as the compassionate thing.
A pstor on a radio program once responded to a woman who said she did not want to play God regarding her animals. His response was that God gave us dominion over them and, in fact, we are as “God” to animals. He has given us that athority. Now, you can treat them as the people who threw the dog from the car did or you can treat them as the people who tried to nurse it back to health did. But God gave you and me the authority to make that decision.
This is why I’m against all “animal righrs” laws except when you are interfacing with someone elses animals. It is because then it is their property and if you damage it we are talking about damaging someone elses property, like burning their barn or hitting their car.
I have a great deal of compassion for animals - but I know what they are, and they are not human. It affects my perspective from a legal, financial, and practicality basis.
We shoot horses. We shoot dogs. We don’t shoot people.
My main compassionate focus is on people. They are fearfully and wonderfully made in God’s image. They are the ones that enjoy the opportunity to accept God’s grace and receive an eternity in his presence. Animals, like trees and the earth itself, are part of creation and natural resources. We are to use and interact with them responsibly.
And how a man treats animals is a bit of a window into his soul, but make no mistake: A man that treats animals more, uh, tough, may do so not out of cruelty, but because he knows they are not human and proceeds accordingly.
But to be clear, what looks cruel is not always what it appears to be. Smacking a cow with a 2x4 to get it to move onto a trailer is the equivalent of giving a child a little swat.
Yes, it was all good. But we burn trees, clear brush, eat animals, etc."
So we do, indeed.
"There are three stories in this article.
1. Men being cruel to animals
2. People having compassion on the animal and trying to save its life.
3. People borrowing what is a months pay (or more) for most of the people around where I live in order to nurse the injured animal back to health.
Numbers one and two are not news. They happen all the time, just like HUMAN traffic deaths. Number one is very sad. Number two is very happy."
Verbose---you didn't exaggerate, Professor.
"Number three is the actual news story. My comments are about it and it alone. That is the entire context of my comments."
Well, no. Your post #40 claimed that the Bible rarely mentions caring for animals, and when it does it's an allegory for how to treat people (?) or slaughtering instructions. You said that Christianity has nothing to do with animals, excepting the commandment to subdue the earth. I had pulled over a dozen Scriptures, now floating around in the Internet ether, to show that's not the case.
" And I can tell you with utmost assurance that in farm country, where I live, spending the kind of money these people spent on what they spent it on is considered nuts."
I live in rural farm country, too. I know some folks who are willing to spend money on their animals, others not so much. It's their call.
" I live in horseracing country. When a horse comes up lame, they don’t spend thousands of dollars trying to nurse it back to health and then let it live a happy and joyous life in a pasture on their dime. They put a bullet to its head as the compassionate thing."
Not an applicable comparison, though. Horses can't hop around on three legs like dogs can. When a horse breaks a leg, it would need to stand very soon after the injury, and that's not possible. There really isn't any treatment available for them. The whippet in the article, however, seems to be healing just fine.
"A pstor on a radio program once responded to a woman who said she did not want to play God regarding her animals. His response was that God gave us dominion over them and, in fact, we are as “God” to animals. He has given us that athority."
While I do agree that God has given us that authority over them, I disagree with the pastor that we're like "God" to them. The book of Romans says that all creation is anticipating God's return. I believe that, in their way, animals have a knowledge of the One who created them. I've seen a lot of things which suggest that there's more going on in their little brains than we know.
" Now, you can treat them as the people who threw the dog from the car did or you can treat them as the people who tried to nurse it back to health did. But God gave you and me the authority to make that decision."
Yep. Which is why I don't understand why the decision those people made to pay for the dog's care bugs you.
"This is why I’m against all “animal righrs” laws except when you are interfacing with someone elses animals. It is because then it is their property and if you damage it we are talking about damaging someone elses property, like burning their barn or hitting their car."
This is where a part of the misunderstanding comes in, I believe. Animal lovers and animal rights people are not at all the same thing. There are many animal lovers on this forum, but I bet you wouldn't find one PETA-supporting nut.
"I have a great deal of compassion for animals - but I know what they are, and they are not human."
Has anyone here claimed they're human, or the equivalent of human? Where?
" It affects my perspective from a legal, financial, and practicality basis."
You're not an animal lover, though. For some of us, it's all those aspects, but the heart is also involved. That's something I'll never apologize for.
"We shoot horses. We shoot dogs. We don’t shoot people."
Well, we shoot horses and dogs if it's necessary. Other times, when it's feasible, we nurse them back to health.
Something just occurred to me. Do you find it preferable to euthanize animals than treat them because it somehow, to you, reinforces your dominion over them...the order of things? I'm just wondering.
"My main compassionate focus is on people."
It's not an either/or proposition.
" They are fearfully and wonderfully made in God’s image. They are the ones that enjoy the opportunity to accept God’s grace and receive an eternity in his presence."
All very true. But when you fail to study the hand of God at work in the animal kingdom, you miss a wonderful opportunity to experience His handiwork and artistry.
It's incredible, really. The way a leopard or a lion can blend into the shrubbery or the plains grass, respectively...He made that possible, so they could survive. He created them in all their beauty and power. Everything from the majestic elephant down to the glossy little snake, and in between, the variety is incredible. God made them all, found them pleasing, and brought them to Adam to name. Then the Lord put two of each of them on the ark to keep them safe, so they would repopulate the earth.
And while it's true that animals don't have immortal souls and do not need redemption, there will be (are) animals in Heaven. Jesus returns on a horse, according to Scripture. And we know the verses about the lion laying down with the lamb, the child playing with the viper, etc.
Point being that God apparently is so pleased with these creations of His that some of them, at least, will be around for eternity.
" Animals, like trees and the earth itself, are part of creation and natural resources. We are to use and interact with them responsibly."
Animals are not the same as trees. They're living, feeling, sentient beings. Most people fortunately understand this.
"And how a man treats animals is a bit of a window into his soul, but make no mistake: A man that treats animals more, uh, tough, may do so not out of cruelty, but because he knows they are not human and proceeds accordingly."
Which is no good reason. I think it was Balaam who found that out. He was treating his donkey rather "tough" when the angel came down and rebuked him for it.
"But to be clear, what looks cruel is not always what it appears to be. Smacking a cow with a 2x4 to get it to move onto a trailer is the equivalent of giving a child a little swat."
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends on the particular animal involved.
I was going to do a point by point response but after reviewing each point I think I can sum it up this way:
You and I pretty much agree on most of this, and what you disagree with me on is not really what I believe. It’s what I give the impression I believe.
I’m a very black and white thinker. Everything is binary to me, though often two items need to, themselves be broken up into binary parts, and further broken down to get to core beliefs and interpretations of events.
I own horses, chickens, bunnies, cats and dogs. They actually call me the animal whisperer here because, for some odd reason, animals are attracted to and trust me. And they should.
Just a little bit more information about where I am coming from here...
We British do, greatly.
99% of us detest animal cruelty.
Well, then deport those freaks that did this to that poor dog! That is, deport them anyplace except the USA. We don’t like folks like that either. :)
Thanks for the heads up ZULU. I’ll keep that in my mind as I read comments from others.
It does seem as though he tries to give the left the case they need to claim we are evil hateful and greedy SOBs.
I think Whippets are just beautiful dogs. Such energetic grace.
Yea well that's all fine and good but you lost me at “A fool and his money are soon parted.”
Well, they are. :)
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