Posted on 05/13/2015 1:55:04 PM PDT by Enlightened1
Your red herring about abolition aside, the bold quote gets to the meat of it: There is little expectation of cops being prosecuted. Most get away with it as the blue line and unions close ranks.
I believe (qualified immunity?) there is even some legal chicanery that prevents the cop from being sued by the victim if he walks.
If cops were routinely nailed for the crap a few of them so gloriously pull off and get away with, these threads would not exist.
You may not have run into them, but I actually have. Some folks advocate for eliminating police forces and implementing community base policing instead, neighbors banding together.
That strikes me as totally unworkable and I’ve responded by saying exactly that.
Any society needs ground rules. There will be some agreed to laws. I believe it is a decent thing to comply with these laws.
You don’t have to be a Leftist to stay within the speed limit. You need to observe traffic laws for safety’s sake. I believe good people comply with these sorts of things. Can laws get out of hand, why sure.
When they do, Conservatives should voice objection.
I don’t know how many of them there are, but during the last few days I have had that very conversation with several people.
They envision some sort of neighborhood self-policing.
I was pretty clear with them that I didn’t think that was realistic.
To me it seemed obvious a strong man (group) would emerge, and that entity could run roughshod over the others in the community.
People in bad communities would be particularly vulnerable.
I’m sure there are a number of negatives to this.
Again,
Nobody here advocates for abolishing police forces.
You may see my comments as inclusive of a red herring. As I have told several others, I have had this very conversation with people here in the last couple of days.
They envision some sort of exotic neighborhood watch. I think it’s a pipe dream, and I made that clear.
I’m not opposed to your theory that some dirty cops get off. I’m not happy that it happens.
IMO, the public sector should not be allowed to unionize.
Some dumb ass judge let that slip through, and I’m dead set against it.
IMO, police officers knowing what the laws are, and then abusing their authority, I think they should get very stiff fines.
No this comes with the provision that some of these instances like Brown and Martin should not be gamed to throw the book at officers or guards simply trying to do their jobs.
I do want the infractions to be valid.
Again, you are dead wrong.
You may not have run into them, but I have. I have in the last couple of days.
Oh, fer crissakes. Fines?
These dorks have the power of the state behind them to do whatever, up to killing you. Do we peasants get fines for beating the crap out of someone or killing them?
If they over-step, you want stiff fines? how about a sternly worded letter? These guys main and kill without a heckuava lot of worry as long as they bleat "stop resisting! or tell the DA that they were in fear for their lives.
And then they get to sit at home with pay, instead of the rest of us rotting in a cell.
When this changes, the relationship and attitudes here and elsewhere may change as well.
I was pretty clear with them that I didn’t think that was realistic.
Something we agree on, as will anyone that has to live with a HOA. The types that infest HOA boards are the types that would likely try to take control of neighborhood patrols.
The 30's Brownshirts have nothing on modern HOA busybodies.
This is the instance of someone advocating for utilizing community based, or neighborhood based self-policing.
In fairness, he was responding to my suggestion that it might open a lot of eyes it the police simply decided to take a week or two off.
That being the case, I’m putting words into his mouth by saying he advocated for replacing all police with neighborhood entities.
This not the first person I’ve run into here that thought neighborhood policing could work, and the others certainly did mean that all police departments should be disbanded and replaced with neighborhood policing.
I am pinging him in to take part in this discussion.
Here is a link to the last comment I made to him.
If you click on the posts each response is made to back to post two, you’ll be able to right click and follow the conversation along.
Some people do think the police can be replaced with neighborhood policing. I don’t share that view.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3289240/posts?page=97#97
I agree with your point. When I wrote fine, I was thinking stiff penalties inclusive of prison. It was a careless use of the wrong word.
I have to agree when it comes to HOA folks. They can and do go way overboard. Reason goes a long way on these sorts of things, but it’s been my take that special interest entities almost always go way overboard.
In concept, a group seeking to support women’s rights, Black’s rights, our natural resources, and the like, are not that unreasoned. Once you get the group/effort set up they generally become obsessive and go to the extreme.
Nonsense. There are a whole group who defend cops actions, no matter what.
But he was wearing his uniform wasn’t he.
Shaking head. Is that what you got out of this article, that the old couple were combative? You’ve got more problems than can be dealt with here. I know you want to make it like they started this, but even if they had shot birds at him, swore at him, whatever, the other cops acted weirdly and unlawfully.
If I were him, I wouldn’t answer your stupid questions either. Your “common sense meter” ha. You don’t have common sense.
These are old people, that believe(d) in decency and wanted to explain what had happened.
My common sense meter says these cops are out of control.
Yes, you had a friend, but not all of us do! We’re at that freak’s mercy then.
Well, it comes from my view that We the People own the laws and the administration thereof.
We have hired certain persons to handle that for us so we can do the other things. If they were to stop, we would have to take up the no-longer-delegated responsibility.
My response to the idea of police basically going on strike in a huff, quitting for a couple of weeks to let us see how awful it would be, is that it might have unexpected results.
As in, not a few of us refrain from chasing da gangstas and stringing up the ones we catch because the police would consider us lawbreakers and treat us accordingly.
If the police were suddenly to disappear, that inhibition would follow hard upon.
Won’t never happen, though, not on the scale that would permit the salutary effect; not, at least, until the whole grid-down WROL SHTF condition (which I deem unlikely from the get-go).
But thanks, Doughty, for thinking of me :)
Mr. Shimmer, how say you in the case of Florida vs. Zimmerman? Shimmer: I don't need to hear from Zimmerman, he is guilty and should be shot right now! Mr Shimmer, how say you in the case of Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown? Shimmer: Officer Wilson shot and killed the poor boy. I don't need to know anything else. Take Wilson out back and shoot him! Damn I'm good at this! .............................................. Should we even listen to the other side before convicting?
Would you ever ‘gesture’ for another vehicle with unknown occupants to follow you and a loved one into a parking lot? Sorry that my life experience is different than yours, but that act sounds weird to me.
Then produce a link to someone advocating for the abolition of police forces.
Your previous attempt fell short.
If the police were suddenly to disappear, that inhibition would follow hard upon.
Doughty claims that you, “…advocate for abolishing police forces across the nation…
Do you?
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