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To: Da Bilge Troll
How?

Once the left realizes that Article V is inevitable, they will get on board with it and begin proposing their own leftist proposals (think STRONG 2nd Amendment restrictions, loose immigration, etc.). At the same time, the right is making their own proposals.

So, for the sake of discussion, we'll say that, in the end, the left has 5 amendments proposed as does the right. Now, the right knows full well that, if they don't allow any of the leftist proposals to go to the States for ratification, they will be hard pressed to get their amendments out as well, making the entire process and total waste of time. So, the right does what the right does best - in the name of "bipartisanship", the right bends over and votes to allow some or all of the leftist proposals to go to the states, simply so that they know that the right's proposals will also go to the states.

Now, the amendments are out to the States. The general argument is that most State legislatures are heavily R, which would seem to give the advantage to the right's amendments, right? Wrong. This thinking makes a couple major assumptions:

1. The State GOP's are much more Conservative than the National, and unlike the federal legislature, the States will stand firm for Conservatives, and

2. There will be NO "bipartisanship" across every single state.

Now, anyone with even the slightest amount of common sense knows full well that, State or Federal, the GOP ALWAYS bends over in the name of "bipartisanship". This is how the left wins a LOT of arguments against the right, and the morons on the right fall for it, every. single. time.

So, once again, we are left with the prospect that one of two things will happen:

1. The GOP will do what the GOP does and bends to the will of the leftists, allowing some leftist proposals to be ratified with the notion that doing so will guarantee the right's proposals also get ratified, or

2. NO amendments are ratified, once again, bringing back the fact that the whole entire thing was a complete waste of time.

Anyone who actually believes that the GOP will get all or most of what they want, and the left gets nothing, is only fooling themselves. The truth is, the pro-Article V camp is making this sound as though it will be all sunshine and roses for Conservatives. Go back through history and tell me, with a straight face, that you really believe that.

53 posted on 05/15/2015 8:46:49 AM PDT by dware (In 2016, the GOP has 2 choices: CRUZ OR LOSE!)
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To: dware
" (think STRONG 2nd Amendment restrictions, loose immigration, etc.). "

Why would the left bother when, with one more vote on the SCOTUS they get what they want anyway?

"The GOP will do what the GOP does and bends to the will of the leftists"

In Washington, I agree, but not in the states. We will never be stronger than we are today.

"NO amendments are ratified, once again, bringing back the fact that the whole entire thing was a complete waste of time"

Waste of who's time? Mine? Don't worry about that. You waste your time your way and I'll waste my time my way. If this is the worst that can happen it seems worth trying to me!

"Anyone who actually believes that the GOP will get all or most of what they want, and the left gets nothing, is only fooling themselves."

But that is exactly what the left is afraid of!

55 posted on 05/16/2015 11:35:22 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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