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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 17 May 2015
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 17 May 2015 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 05/17/2015 4:51:40 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: ROCKLOBSTER
You are right. They should be defending the decision to go into Iraq. Saddam and his murderous sons would have to be dealt with at some time. They had and were seeking WMD. Saddam used WMD against the Iranians and the Kurds.

The question for Obama and Hillary is given what we know now, should we have done more to get a SOFA with Iraq to leave a residual US force to protect our hard won victory?

Text of Joint Resolution On Iraq Passed By The United States Congress October 11, 2002. The following resolution was passed 296-133 by the House of Representatives and 77-23 by the Senate on October 10 and 11, 2002

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq; Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in 'material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President 'to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations' (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material an unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President 'to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677';

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it 'supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and 'constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, 'supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to 'work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to 'work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that 'the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

21 posted on 05/17/2015 6:31:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alas Babylon!
Good morning, everyone! Hey, it's a beautiful Sunday out there.

It's a great day to go out and celebrate something new and exciting,... like 'International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia'. Our President says so. My wife insists it is Moochelle's "coming out day" but I think it is just more celebration of diversity and efforts to strengthen our culture and togetherness. Perhaps I am just the cynic in our family?

In any case, it appears we will get plenty of "news" on the Amtrak wreck. What is there to say? The engineer was going twice the speed limit into a sharp curve. Physics rules. What was the guy really thinking of and doing instead of driving the train? But maybe we'll get a better figure on how many more billions we need to spend on "infrastructure" to make them safe, so it should be an illuminating discussion on all the shows.

22 posted on 05/17/2015 6:31:47 AM PDT by Gritty (The more we submit to violent jihadi intimidation, the more we are going to get-Robert Spencer)
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To: bray

Hippy on Press the Meat, crowing about stat that “the growing religious affiliation, is no affiliation at all” (goddless communists)

His panel going on about how (and this magically happened) where the middle east is now:
Post-imperialism, Post-authoritarianism etc, and how (unless “those people” learn how to govern horizontally) will be a terrible mess for the next president.

Yada yada yada...yaaaaaagh!

Hippy now standing with religion chart and pointer.

Geeeeeez....

*click*


23 posted on 05/17/2015 6:37:56 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Gritty
'International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia'...I think it is just more celebration of diversity and efforts to strengthen our culture and togetherness.

When what we should be doing is; stuffing these disease-ridden, boy-raping whackjobs BACK INTO THE CLOSET....or onto "Pervert Island".

24 posted on 05/17/2015 6:46:01 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Diogenesis

Actually got an campaign email from Romney yesterday. Guess it isn’t really a presidential campaign w/o a Romney.


25 posted on 05/17/2015 6:48:03 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the WH)
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To: All

Heres the take form hot airs jaibones usually right ontrack:

Welcome to the DNC Media Propaganda Hour, kids! Here is the Sunday Morning guest list, brought to you by the almost monolithically liberal political news media in their continuing propaganda effort to advance the agenda of the left, which today will be Tax and Spend for Amtrak!

Format: Name – Label – Heritage Action Scorecard lifetime voting score (if applicable)

Let’s have a gander:

ABC’s “This Week”
Mitch McConnell – RINO – 67%
Dianne Feinstein – Kook Left Liberal – 4%
NTSB Robert Sumwalt – Unknown – N/A
Michael Morrell – Unknown (center right) – N/A

NBC’s “Meet the Press”
Sumwalt
Cory Booker – Liberal/Doofus – none (repeat and laugh: “Senator Cory Booker”)
Rand Paul – Weirdo – 95% (Astonishing conservative voting record is contrasted by an unending series of very strange statements and enthusiastic support of our worst RINOs)

CBS’ “Face the Nation”
Sumwalt – N/A
Scott Walker – Conservative-ish – N/A
Rep. Devin Nunes – RINO – 50%
Bob Casey – Kook Left – 3%
Robert Gates – Unknown (center right) – N/A

CNN’s “State of the Union”
Sumwalt – N/A
Bernie Sanders – Socialist – 8%* (*Measurably to the right of Feinstein, Casey, Durbin and Scummer)
Paul Ryan – RINO – 66%
Bill Shuster – RINO – 55%

“Fox News Sunday”
Sumwalt – N/A
Marco Rubio – Conservative – 83%
Muriel Bowser of the District of Columbia – Kook Left – N/A

We are reminded once again of the difference in voting between the supposed conservative mainstream in the GOP and the liberal party leaders. Feinstein, Durbin and Scummer vote above 95% lock-step leftist. Rand Paul is the only GOP “party leader” (?) anywhere near that number. The rest are full-blown RINOs.

Point being, listen to the propaganda press blather about how the GOP has “moved to the right”, and contrast it with the Demonrats, who are led by a cabal of Lunatic Left Fringe kooks. Add to the propaganda parade the latest revelations about Clenis Stephanopoulos and you have a clownish media operation.

Summary – nothing new here.

Jaibones on May 17, 2015 at 9:40 AM


26 posted on 05/17/2015 6:49:04 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Post imperialism/authoritarianism is post America since we are the problem to all of the Marxists. Why don’t they all move to Europe and save us their communist utopia.


27 posted on 05/17/2015 6:49:54 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the WH)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“The media is just so transparent.”

No they are not transparent, they are the commie handmaidens to the left wing dictatorship.

All you need to know about FOX - as stated by the lovable Chrisy Wallace, son of famous commie Mikey Wallace.

“our Colleague Stephanapolous” That choice of words does puts an EXCLAMATION mark on where in the political spectrum these jackals fall.


28 posted on 05/17/2015 6:54:14 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: kabar
They had and were seeking WMD. Saddam used WMD against the Iranians and the Kurds.

And furthermore, while Obomber and the RATs were busy destabilizing the moslem world and while the clown prince was CREATING and funding ISIS with overt support (the Syrian freedom fighters) Putin was attempting to embarrass him by removing and destroying said chemical weapons from Syria.

This in the recent past, but barely covered by the RATagandists who depend heavily on the inattention and short memories of the American sheeple.

29 posted on 05/17/2015 6:55:58 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: bray
I'm so sick of hearing about no WMD’s.Especially if you consider thousands of barrels full of poisonous gas a WMD! IF Saddam had ever released all this stuff what kind of hell would have been unleashed on the middle east? Should we have gone in? Yes! He violated the no fly terms set by 41,it was always that simple.Seems we forget about what saddaam did in Kuwait,he would have done so in much of the rest of the middle east if left unchecked.And don't forget Oklahoma City bombing which was also attributed to Saddam Hussein hom many reasons did we need.?
30 posted on 05/17/2015 6:59:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I think the wmds they are referring to were nukes which may or may not have been in Iraq we don't know. But, he definitely had thousands of barrels of poisonous gas! We know that from Gen.Georges sada—the man who supervised the flying of these barrels into Damascus,Syria and who wrote a book on it.He also did numerous talk radio and tv interviews and risked his life to tell the story.
31 posted on 05/17/2015 7:02:42 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: DanZ
That choice of words does puts an EXCLAMATION mark on where in the political spectrum these jackals fall.

Yeah, I doubt you'd get any debate on that from anyone here.

I was surprised to see black-RATagandist Wahn get all indignant and terse while criticizing Clinton operative Stepinawfulpis. Didn't take him 15 seconds.

32 posted on 05/17/2015 7:03:08 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

LOL! Sorry I forgot....


33 posted on 05/17/2015 7:03:24 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

Great find,brilliant stuff,way to go kabar.


34 posted on 05/17/2015 7:05:27 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Now that the media is gone on and on about Jeb and Iraq, they also should ask Democrats;

...knowing that it didn’t create any jobs, would you have voted for the ‘Stimulus bill’ of 2009?

...knowing that health insurance is now more expensive and no more Americans than before are insured, would you have voted for Obamacare?


35 posted on 05/17/2015 7:07:23 AM PDT by Son House (The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009; the Original Legislative Fraud.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Yeah, atheism went from 3% to 4% according to those oh so accurate polls. Fifty years of indoctrination and still 70% consider themselves Christian and evangelicals are the fastest growing.

Pray America is waking


36 posted on 05/17/2015 7:08:55 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the WH)
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To: ExCTCitizen

Don’t bother, Chris is trying out for ABC today.


37 posted on 05/17/2015 7:09:48 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the WH)
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To: Gritty
The train wreck is pretty straight forward:
Train driver of the crazy train drives around 50 mph corner at 106 mph. Train goes off the rails. Many injured. Several killed.Blame goes to evil Republicans cutting the infrastructure budget.
That pretty much sums up the story.
38 posted on 05/17/2015 7:10:36 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Gritty

If there is a better symbol of big gummit than Amtrak what is it? Now flying is safer than rails thanks to Affirmative Action hiring.


39 posted on 05/17/2015 7:11:35 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the WH)
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To: DanZ
Gotta be careful of Wall Ass, Gerta, Shep and a few others. But by in large we get better representation from FNC than anywhere else.
still looking for the 100% conservative network; looking,looking...
40 posted on 05/17/2015 7:13:33 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepuplic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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