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To: Old Teufel Hunden

It’s a legitimate question because we are asking our military personnel to lay down their lives defending some Muslims from other Muslims. We are requiring them to take sides ... and lay down their lives for one side or another.

As long as we are doing this to our military it’s only fair that everyone be asked to declare their allegiance to Sunni or Shia ISLAM.

Fist person who should answer that question is Obama, who seems to have been arming and training the “rebels” in Syria (read ISIS) and now sending our military to go in and fight the very people we armed and trained.

Next ask every person vying to be the next President.

It’s a more than fair question to be answered. It’s vitally important.

I’m asking people her on FR because I don’t think many understand what they have been asking of our military for over 14 years now.


41 posted on 05/18/2015 11:09:13 AM PDT by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: Lorianne
It’s a legitimate question because we are asking our military personnel to lay down their lives defending some Muslims from other Muslims. We are requiring them to take sides ... and lay down their lives for one side or another. As long as we are doing this to our military it’s only fair that everyone be asked to declare their allegiance to Sunni or Shia ISLAM.

We supported the Soviets against the Nazis without declaring allegiance to Stalin. This in spite of the fact that Stalin helped kicked off WWII by allying with Hitler so the Nazis could conquer the West without fear of attack from the East. If we could ally with the Soviets, the folks who that made the Holocaust possible, we can ally with Shiites, Sunnis or whatever the least of the evils of the moment is, given that the Middle East is where most of the oil in the world is located, and therefore as important in its own way as Europe was during WWII, if only to deny its resources to any would-be world-conquering power that may consolidate power out of the ruins of the existing states. The reason we're getting involved is to keep the states divided (i.e. prevent the creation of a unitary Muslim empire in the style of the ancient caliphates).

Muhammad created a massive empire because he made accommodations with the losers (Christians, Jews and pagans) in the kingdoms he conquered in exchange for their allegiance to him. This is why Muslim armies grew instead of shrank as you'd expect them to (from battle losses). ISIS will cut through the existing Muslim polities like a hot knife through butter if it isn't stopped, gaining adherents along the way. Why would it make sense to let ISIS gather the majority of the world's oil under its banner? ISIS is the second coming of Muhammad's conquering armies, except the territories it is fighting in are already receptive to its message, being Muslim themselves. The moderates in power will, like the Shah, be toppled if we stand aside the way Jimmy Carter did when the Iranian Revolution was in full swing. Bottom line is that it makes no sense to stand aside as ISIS attempts to unify the Islamic states under its rule, just as it made none to do so during WWII when the Nazis attempted to unify Europe under their rule and during the Cold War, when the Soviets tried the same thing.

47 posted on 05/18/2015 11:40:12 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Lorianne
"I don’t think many understand what they have been asking of our military for over 14 years now."

I was in that military. I'm retired now, that's why I picked Old Teufel Hunden (translated Old Devil Dog or Old Marine or Old Jarhead whichever you prefer). During my 22 years in the Corps I fought these Islamofascist. I know exactly what I'm asking of the military because I did it! War is a crappy business and the reason I'm extra angry is because Obama pissed away everything that we had gained in 2011 because of his idiotic campaign promises. You don't have to tell me any of this. I lived it. I wish they would take this Old Jarhead back because I would be glad to do the work because I understand what the consequences are for America if we don't do it.

Never the less, it's a job that has to be done. If we don't do something about it now, the consequences of inaction will be devestating later. We need to get more involved and stop ISIS now, no matter if Obama was supplying idiot rebels in Syria with weapons (which I was against) or toppling Ghadaffi (which I was against). I'm not talking about all of those idiotic decisions. I'm talking about beating ISIS back out of Iraq and decimating them. If we don't this cancer will spread and it will be here in your local shopping mall before you know it.
49 posted on 05/18/2015 11:59:53 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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