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Boy Scouts of America bans water gun fights; ‘pointing a firearm’ is not kind [& water balloons]
Washington Times ^ | May 19, 2015 | Douglas Ernst

Posted on 05/19/2015 12:21:06 PM PDT by grundle

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To: Bartholomew Roberts
First of all, National never changed the rules on gay leaders over 18 years of age. Local Districts, Councils, and Troops are still able to prohibit gay, transgendered, trans-whatevered scout leaders.

Exactly right. National has not said a word about Homosexual Adults being permitted to be leaders in the BSA. Only the kids to 18. After that, it's hasta la vista. Even in Venturing, they have to go.

FYI, I am a District Commissioner in the Alamo Area Council.

121 posted on 05/19/2015 7:26:27 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Post No Bills)
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To: grundle

In other news the BSA announces the new chicken $hi+ Merit Badge, a must for future leaders.


122 posted on 05/19/2015 7:34:34 PM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: M Kehoe
The attempt at neutering American males continues. It will fail.

Yep. There is nothing more subversive than a free man.

123 posted on 05/19/2015 7:42:05 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Tuxedo

It disappoints me as to the number of posts here where people have not a clue as to what transpired.

The BSA has never changed their position on homosexual Scout leaders.

But the moron section here talks all about how the BSA now advocates homosexual leaders.

Complete buffoons.


124 posted on 05/19/2015 7:48:59 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Durus

Nice rebuttal.

Certainly you failed debate in high school if you made it that far.


125 posted on 05/19/2015 7:50:36 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Maceman

You too have a lot to learn about manners.

Too bad you have to resort to calling boys working into manhood a bunch of pussies because of some arcane rule change.

And too bad that you are so old that you can’t remember things so you have to resort to making things up and calling them facts.

I was merely disappointed with you. My anger and hostility are toward the morons on this site that have their facts completely wrong about gays in Scouting.

Many know they are wrong while they write their rubbish, you are just a forgetful old man.


126 posted on 05/19/2015 8:09:59 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
Many know they are wrong while they write their rubbish, you are just a forgetful old man


127 posted on 05/19/2015 8:57:28 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Old Sarge

I went to Wood Badge some years ago. This was not your fathers Wood Badge, it was called “Wood Badge for the 20th Century”.

It was pathetic. Not one outdoor skill was even discussed. It was all team building exercises and PC projects to “improve the Boy Scouts”, and we were directed that our project titles had to include the word “diversity”.

I was frankly disgusted.

My boys and I left the Scouts shortly after. I saw the end coming even then, that was over 10 years ago.


128 posted on 05/19/2015 10:46:58 PM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

I’ve hit the abuse button on you.

You’re being rude and insulting.

Please knock it off.


129 posted on 05/19/2015 11:08:38 PM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: Jotmo

Pop would’ve been mortified if he’d lived to see what’s happened...


130 posted on 05/20/2015 4:05:48 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: Jotmo

Well, since you have a bent against the Scouts, it is no wonder you would take offense at my words. But let’s compare that to a partial list of insults by posters above:

Nancy Scouts
Swishy Scouts
Fairy Scouts
FemBoy Scouts
Gay BSA
Gelded Scouts of America
A bunch of damned (pussies)
..the pussification of the BSA
Scouts are getting gayer
..little Metrosexual boys
...put them in dresses
...turned into Girl Scouts
Homo pedophile predators are in
...since the Gay Boy Scout leaders are in
The gays have taken over Scouting
...win the Pink Ribbon for faggotry
The homo propagandists have infiltrated the organization
They now are recruiting faggots to molest the boys in the BSA
All they have left is gay Scouts

And plenty more. Maybe you can help me hit the abuse button for all of these as well.

Or maybe just man up.


131 posted on 05/20/2015 5:46:43 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
The entire basis of your argument has been argumentum ab auctoritate and ad hominem fallacies, as such I don't think you are in any position to judge another’s debate skills. Maybe you should bow out of this conversation before you further demonstrate the level of your intelligence.
132 posted on 05/20/2015 6:25:28 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
They did, however allow gay Scouts under 18 be able to participate.

In other words "Hey 17 year old faggot! Come here and go camping with some boys younger (even much younger) than you and see if you can molest them!"

For an organization that is SUPPOSED to be MORALLY STRAIGHT, recruiting (permitting) sexual perverts to join is a betrayal of everything all real scouts stand for.

At the same time, they required that Adult leaders must have double overage so that at no time may adults be one-to-one with Scouts.

Which is of course a smart rule. But that does not stop faggots from molesting our kids. ANY exposure of children to homosexual behavior is child abuse.

Do you really think that a 17 year old faggot is NOT going to try to have sex with anything (boy, adult, goat etc) he can get his hands on? Sex is the be all and end all of these peoples entire self image.

Your comments about “recruiting faggots to molest...” is offensive to me and I’m sure to any Scout leader that is trying to make this a better world for our children.

And the boy scouts refusal to protect our children from faggots is offensive to me.

You want to make the world a better place, get the BSA back to being morally straight. The organization demonstrated to the boys that there are no moral absolutes and that whoever whines the loudest gets their way. They also showed that money is more important than honor and freedom. They betrayed their oaths. And that is offensive! BSA is dead, all that's left are the gay scouts

133 posted on 05/20/2015 6:25:47 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

Does it prohibit throwing rocks at bottles?

Someone needs to shut the book on the BSA hard enough that it gets their attention.

If they spent more time on PROGRAM and less time on LAWYERS, they wouldn’t have a membership OR money problem.

This was a STUPID POLICY DECISION - AMONG MANY OTHER STUPID POLICY DECISIONS.

BP would kick ass on some of the idiots running the show in Texas right now.

Kids have been throwing rocks at bottles since there were rocks . . . and bottles.

We set up stations when we do SS. One of the most popular is the one where kids get to throw rocks at bottles.

To be fair, we use cans too. Cans don’t break though, which is the cool part.

Lord, save Scouting from the idiots. We ask this in Your Son’s name, Amen.


134 posted on 05/20/2015 7:44:01 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Remember leave no trace?

Hope you are cleaning up after!


135 posted on 05/20/2015 7:49:05 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Durus

The equally fallacious counter-argument from authority takes the form:

B has provided evidence for position T.

A says position T is incorrect.Therefore, B’s evidence is false.

This form is fallacious as it does not actually refute the evidence given by B, merely notes that there is disagreement with it.


136 posted on 05/20/2015 7:54:20 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: grundle

I guess putting on an extra coat, and goggles then having a bottle rocket fight is no longer cool.


137 posted on 05/20/2015 7:58:27 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: John O

Come out of the closet, you think too much about gay sex.

It doesn’t happen in Scouts as much as you dream it does.

Certainly not as much as your local school system.

Get a grip on yourself.


138 posted on 05/20/2015 7:59:29 AM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

Perhaps you’d take a moment to contemplate the difference between insulting an institution, what other posters you mentioned are doing, and insults directed at an individual, what you’re doing.

I was a scout leader at many levels for many years. So I don’t need a lecture from you regarding my feelings regarding the BSA.

We left for various reasons, the PC influx being one of them.

And if the attitude you display by your posting habits on this thread are an indication of the type of people left in the organization, it seems I made a wise choice.


139 posted on 05/20/2015 7:59:52 AM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

If you’re going to quote posters, it’s viewed as good form to ping those posters...

If my comments are considered an “insult” to the BSA, then maybe they should “man up” and accept that they do have a problem instead of ignoring it and then doubling down on stupid.

I have been front and center with the BSA through my 20+ years of involvement with them, I have always told them the truth. They in turn have either ignored, dismissed or lied to me.

Who should be offended? The BSA at National is filled with politically correct libtards. They’re responsible for making the organization a shell of its former self. But they have a lot of help...a bunch of feminists and nancy boys are in leadership positions either advocating for and/or supporting these idiotic changes to the policies.

And then those of us who object openly to what the BSA has become are forced to defend ourselves against ad hominem attacks by “fellow” Scouters who have drunk the kool-aid and are fully supporting the policies that come down from National.

You appear to have picked out a snippet of one of my statements as “offensive”. But you didn’t pick out the back biting statements by purported “scouters” against Scouters who are resisiting the politically correct changes in Scouting.

WB has become politically correct indoctrination...it is no longer the course it was intended to be...it is now used as a tool to modify thinking and behavior by scout leaders.

Yeah, I have a “bent against the BSA”, not the Scouts, nor honorable Scouters...but the BSA has given up the moral high ground by admitting homo boys and continuing to PU$$IFY Scouting.

No water guns? Water balloons the size of ping pong balls? Not “nice”? Really? And you defend this?


140 posted on 05/20/2015 8:09:52 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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