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Atty. Marilyn Mosby Now Says Freddie Gray’s Knife Isn’t Important To Case Against 6 Baltimore Cops
Daily Caller ^ | 05/20/2015 | Chuck Ross

Posted on 05/20/2015 9:50:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The office of Baltimore City state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby has added a new wrinkle to the Freddie Gray case, alleging in a court filing that the 25-year-old was illegally arrested by Baltimore police officers even before they recovered a knife on his person.

In the motion, filed Monday, deputy state’s attorney Michael Schatzow rebuts a May 8 motion for dismissal and recusal filed by attorneys for the six officers charged in the case. Schatzow calls the attorneys’ claims that Mosby has numerous conflicts of interest “premature, frivolous, illogical.”

Schatzow also addressed Gray’s knife, which became a central part of the case when Mosby announced charges against the officers on May 1. Gray was arrested on April 12 and died a week later. His death was ruled a homicide, and he was determined to have sustained a broken neck while riding in the back of a police van.

During her press conference, Mosby stated that Gray was illegally arrested and that his knife was “legal under Maryland law.”

But in a May 8 motion for dismissal and recusal, attorneys for the officers disputed Mosby’s knife claim. They argued that while Gray’s “spring-action” knife was legal in Maryland, it was illegal in Baltimore.

In his response, Schatzow disputed the notion that Mosby argued that the legality of Gray’s arrest hinges on the knife.

Instead, he asserted that the statement of probable cause against the officers “makes clear that Mr. Gray was arrested well before the arresting officers knew he possessed a knife.”

“Mr. Gray was handcuffed at his surrendering location, moved a few feet away, and placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back, all before the arresting officers found the knife,” Schatzow stated.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: baltimore; freddiegray; marilynmosby
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
He was a known drug dealer who was fleeing. I think that is reason enough to restrain him while they see what is going on.

I would bet if nothing happened to the guy and this went to trial, the judge would toss the knife charge because there wasn't sufficient reason for the initial stop.

41 posted on 05/20/2015 10:21:02 AM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: rdcbn
"This is going to be fun to watch."

Yep. This is really laughable. Mosby's office is making it up as they go along.

42 posted on 05/20/2015 10:23:21 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: digger48
"Hasn’t SCOTUS already ruled that cuffs can be used in a Terry Stop?"

I'm not certain but that certainly would not surprise me with a suspect who has resisted by fleeing.

43 posted on 05/20/2015 10:24:31 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: cyclotic
"Please, please, please prosecute it yourself Marilyn. We all want to see your courtroom competence"

She'll only be there if she can have Prince in the courtroom, and the cameras are rolling.

44 posted on 05/20/2015 10:25:43 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: ctdonath2

The Supremes have decided that fleeing the cops is sufficient grounds to stop, detain and search a person.

Right or wrong, that was the decision.


45 posted on 05/20/2015 10:26:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: C210N

I’m not sure that’s correct. I believe that you are technically under arrest if they do not permit you to leave.


46 posted on 05/20/2015 10:27:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Based on the amount of pride, her fall is gonna be a humdinger


47 posted on 05/20/2015 10:29:47 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has there ever been a disclosure of the knife, brand and model?

I can see no reason that information is being kept secret.


48 posted on 05/20/2015 10:31:45 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Feckless

It’s outrageous, egregious, preposterous

They’re real and they’re spectacular!


49 posted on 05/20/2015 10:37:49 AM PDT by navet97
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To: ctdonath2

Fleeing cops in an area known for drug trafficking has been upheld as proper detainment, all the way to the Supreme Court. This man was a convicted drug dealer out on bond from his most recent arrest.


50 posted on 05/20/2015 10:44:07 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Feckless

“Who is this guy, Jackie Chiles?”

Or for us “older folks,” Algonqin J. Calhoon! (Amos N’ Andy’s Lawyer)


51 posted on 05/20/2015 10:46:06 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: conservativejoy

I reserve the right to disagree with SCOTUS. Not that it means anything objective, of course.

Remember, SCOTUS once concluded that state-legal homegrown produce could be seized in a violent “dynamic raid” because its existence reduced demand in illegal interstate commerce.


52 posted on 05/20/2015 10:55:46 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Hillary:polarizing/calculating/disingenuous/insincere/ambitious/inevitable/entitled/overconfident/se)
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To: SeekAndFind

Marilyn Mosby is toast, burnt toast.


53 posted on 05/20/2015 10:57:56 AM PDT by Gator113 (~~Cruz, OR LOSE~~ Ted Cruz is the only true Conservative in this race.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I believe that you are technically under arrest if they do not permit you to leave.

For officer safety purposes. The same rationale that allows officers to handcuff occupants of a premises being searched also applies to other situations in which an officer feels he or she may be at risk. As a training bulletin used by the Los Angeles Police Department states, "The handcuffing of an arrestee is not based on rigid criteria. It is determined by the nature of each situation as perceived by the officer." If an officer feels that placing a person in handcuffs is the best way to ensure his or her own safety, then a court would not likely find that the officer had violated the rights of the person being detained.

54 posted on 05/20/2015 11:03:30 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: C210N

Right. Of course the quote refers to the person being cuffed as “an arrestee.” Which was pretty much my point.

I assume they can be unarrested quickly as the situation is figured out.

As I understand it, if I’m being detained I am by definition under arrest. If that’s wrong I’d apprecite being straightened out.


55 posted on 05/20/2015 11:14:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

And she passed a bar exam??????


56 posted on 05/20/2015 11:20:30 AM PDT by MHT (,)
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To: Sherman Logan
More details found in the link below. It adds a time factor... if an outnumbered officer puts the parties in cuffs for a *short* period to sort things out.

Just because an officer places you in handcuffs doesn't mean you are under arrest. However, unless he or she tells you that you are under arrest, the officer should have an objectively reasonable justification for handcuffing you and putting you in the car. Some examples might be there is only one of them and two or three of you, so there is a legitimate safety concern. Or, in the case of an assault, the responding officers may handcuff and place both parties in different cars for their own safety while they sort things out. But, this detention can only last as long as is necessary for the officers to figure out what is going on. After that, they need to arrest one or both of you, issue one or both of you citations, let one or both of you go, or some combination. You can't be handcuffed and placed in the back of a car just for convenience.

A good officer will generally tell you "You're not under arrest, but I'm going to handcuff you for my safety/your safety/both of our safety," or something, unless the situation is just moving too fast for that. But if it's moving that fast, you should have a pretty good idea why you wound up in the back of the car in the first place.

57 posted on 05/20/2015 11:23:10 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Zeppo
Schatzow calls the attorneys’ claims that Mosby has numerous conflicts of interest “premature, frivolous, illogical.”

However those claims are not "wrong", "false", or "incorrect".

That.

58 posted on 05/20/2015 11:40:44 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: circlecity

.... Now everything boils down to whether this was a proper “Terry” stop.
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Even in Baltimore, the prosecutor is not going to get away with criminalizing the cops simply for lacking probably cause for a search; so the issue is going to turn on whether the prosecutor has met her burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the cops killed, or failed to tend to, Gray while he was in the van.


59 posted on 05/20/2015 1:02:27 PM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: MHT
And she passed a bar exam??????

This has very little to do with the law, and a whole lot to do with salvaging her political ambitions and the mayor's career.

Yeah, she'll be ridiculed by Greta and all the other legal analysts on the news, and it won't make one bit of difference to the people on the streets of Baltimore. She and the mayor will be the beacons of hope who stood up and fought in the face of an skewed and racist justice system.

She'll be a winner. The outcome of the trial has no bearing on that.

60 posted on 05/20/2015 1:16:37 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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