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To: clamper1797; Robert Teesdale

That’s odd, since belonging to a club, I have attended so many biker functions, and have had many of our non-outlaw club meetings at our local Angel’s bar, and of course the Bandido experiences.

You are so confused in your posts, that you don’t make any sense, other than that you want to pout and lash out about something.

You have refused to discuss your bizarre claim about your “1%” post, and you have been sniping like a girl ever since.

You posted #63, and I posted #95 to you, and you have refused to respond, except to make girlish attacks.

Why is that? why won’t you focus on that post 95?

I’m thinking that a couple of you are in awe of outlaw bikers and are enthralled by them, so you just can’t talk about them in a normal tone, but as though you are speaking about gangs that you look up to and are deferential to.

Your effort with the 1% crack, is a reflection of that.


350 posted on 05/21/2015 11:52:54 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
That’s odd, since belonging to a club, I have attended so many biker functions, and have had many of our non-outlaw club meetings at our local Angel’s bar, and of course the Bandido experiences.

You do not sound like any three piece patch holder I have ever met, read or been around. I don't believe you. Riding clubs don't count. Neither does HOG.

You are so confused in your posts, that you don’t make any sense, other than that you want to pout and lash out about something.

Seems like some others here are getting my point. With respect to post #95 that you raise. I'll answer directly even though clamper1797 already did.

"Not if 1%er means outlaw gang, which is what most of us take it to mean."

It doesn't.

You're confusing terms and you're confusing concepts and you're commingling them all in a vapid broth of misunderstanding. I'll offer my $.02 of clarity here.

Not all motorcycle riders are club members.

Not all motorcycle club members are outlaws.

Not all outlaws are 1%ers.

Not all 1%ers are club members.

Not all 1%ers are outlaws.

Not all outlaws are criminals.

Not all 1%ers are criminals.

All 1%er outlaws that are members of motorcycle clubs, ride motorcycles.

Three piece patch clubs, whether 1%er or outlaw or criminal, are not gangs. (You may be factually correct to say that any particular club charter has been adjudicated as a RICO entity, but that still doesn't make it a "gang".)

Outlaw, biker, 1%er, club member, patch holder, criminal, gang member, motorcyclist, are all different things.

Falsely equating concepts is not a good way to build your social declarations. Being imprecise when you are passing judgment is not wise.

The terms "outlaw" and "gang" are somewhat useless. Ask people to define an "outlaw" in America today and you're get 300 million different answers. Ask the same question about a "gang" and you'll get another 300 million variations.

What is a 1%er? I'd say that I would expect a certain type of presence and demeanor; a certain style of speech and temper; may or may not be outward indicators such as a cut or visible ink or an interpretable vehicle sticker; a certain type of philosophical sanguinity about the objective realities of State power v. human freedom; a strong sense of not backing down; and the willingness to bleed for those he cares about. And the willingness to speak his mind without the slightest intimidation of the traumatically microaggressed weaklings that pass for the majority of the body populace today. A refusal to talk to law enforcement, believing through experience that they are merely the jackboot of the State and not your friend from Mayberry. A refusal to place stupid human law over the dignity and freedom of the individual.

A 1%er may be a criminal. He may be an outlaw, too. He may be a club member of a RICO charter. Might be a good guy you'd trust with your kids, or might be an asshole with a drinking problem you wouldn't get within ten insured miles of. Point is... he is a human being, with the same right of freedom as you, and with probably a better track record of sacrificing for his beliefs and putting his boots where his mouth goes than most people you will meet.

Either way, I don't care if he is a criminal, engaged in RICO activities, associating with other known criminals. We don't fire machine guns into crowds in the United States.

Today's "biker gang member" was yesterday's "Christian gun nut" and tomorrow's "oppositionally defiant veteran". It's just a label from the State to frame their killing as legitimate.

Not every Revolutionary War resource was a wealthy Virginia gentleman. The grunt work of building freedom was done by rough, hard men who demanded to be left alone to live their lives in freedom and were willing to risk hanging en masse for treason and capital murder to get it.

I am describing alpha behavior, which is scary to the placid. Real freedom comes with real risk. You learn quickly if freedom is really for you, along with learning how to manage risk and capitalize on luck, or you end up in a bag or a slave.

Being a free man... being a slave... both are binary states, either or. You cannot be a little bit free, or a little bit a slave. You're one or the other.

Free men own guns. Slaves don't.

Free men don't suffer democide. Slaves do.

Being a free man, or a slave, is a choice. For me, it is an easy one. I will live free, or die.

Death is not the worst of Evils.
359 posted on 05/21/2015 12:58:59 PM PDT by Robert Teesdale (III% | 4GW)
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