Vatican appointee says gay sex can express Christ’s ‘self-gift’

BS. The SS and the Hitler Youth weren’t homosexuals. They simply killed homosexuals. I have to know it since one part of my family were true and fearsome nazis while the other part were Jews (we lost 44 family members in the shoa). Funny but true. History is sometimes a strange thing.

My mother was the secretary of a former SS-Obersturmbannführer (Fritz Kiehn - a member of the so called “Freundeskreis Reichsführer SS” - the friends of Heinrich Himmler) after the war (in the sixties), who was a important part of the SS-network “HIAG”. He used his firm in southern Germany successfully to save his former comrades from poverty. When I was a kid I learned what those guys were thinking about homos. They simply would have taken a sharp knive to cut off the private parts to “heal” gay people. The problem with nazis is surely not a trend to homosexuality (like it is said by some people in the US) the problem with them is their complete godlessness and heartlessness. Very scary people.

The only nazi who was a declared homosexual was Ernst Röhm. He was killed on Hitlers order in the so called “Nacht der langen Messer” (night of the long knifes) in 1934 because of a mixture of treason and homosexuality. After Röhm it was quite unhealty to be gay within the nazi organisations. In th best case you ended up in Auschwitz.

BTW - I have read parts of such American propaganda BS like “the pink swastika”. Tons of crap written by people without any knowlege.

Regards from Europe

Andreas

I just noticed the subterfuge.

To what "subterfuge" are you referring? Or are you referring to a supposed subterfuge where someone mentions the Orthodox, hears someone else refer to that new subject, and then accuse that someone else of "changing the subject" for mentioning the topic which had been introduced by the original person? :) Is that how it works?

Again: it'd be a great idea to read (now that you mentioned them) Orthodox writings, and especially to go see Orthodox liturgies; they're eye-openers to Protestants, on many occasions.

>Muslims worship a false god.

[paladinan]
No, they do not. They worship the One True God, but they worship Him in almost complete ignorance of His True Nature...

[RnMomof7]
They do not worship the triune God of the Bible.. like the Mormons they have a false God.. they are "just not wrong on this one point" ..they have a completely false god..

Well... by that logic, Protestants worship a false God... since they don't accept Jesus (i.e. God) truly present in the Holy Eucharist. If someone doesn't worship the God-made-Flesh in the bread-made-flesh, then that someone is (by the reasoning you mention) worshiping a false god.

Go learn about Islam and get your eyes opened...

:) Ahhhhh, yes. The "you're blind, get your eyes opened" rhetoric. I was expecting that, eventually. It's often a straw at which desperate debaters clutch.

CCC 841 teaches heresy and manifest error.

Thank you for your personal opinion. Now... could you prove your case?

It teaches that Catholics worship the false god of Islam.

No, it does not. It teaches that the Muslims worship the One True God (albeit very badly, in abysmal ignorance, tainted with innumerable errors), the personal and strident opinions of RnMomof7 notwithstanding.

They do not have a god that saves to the outermost either ...like Muslims they need to work their way to heaven...

Someone hasn't been paying attention. Look up "Pelagianism", and look up when it was condemned by the Catholic Church. (Hint: over 1000 years before Luther was born.)

and ask them about "baptism by blood" ..heaven by being martyrs for the "faith"

It might be a good idea to ask, especially given the misunderstandings that many Protestants have about them. What would you like to ask?

Well... by that logic, Protestants worship a false God... since they don't accept Jesus (i.e. God) truly present in the Holy Eucharist. If someone doesn't worship the God-made-Flesh in the bread-made-flesh, then that someone is (by the reasoning you mention) worshiping a false jesus

Actually Catholics worship a cracker as a false jesus .

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