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Lower Minimum Wage To $0
Townhall.com ^ | May 25, 2015 | Katie Kieffer

Posted on 05/25/2015 6:50:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Rodamala

True, of course.

Obviously, the point I was attempting to make is that across-the-board cost increases do not create a competitive imbalance.

Compare this to one of the industries I used to be in, janitorial services.

Company A hires illegal aliens. Their costs are considerably lower as a result. The industry is considered a commodity service, decisions of who to hire are based primarily on price. It’s also a very labor-intensive industry, much more so than restaurants.

Company B, which for ethical reasons chooses not to hire illegal aliens, is faced with Company A being able to undercut their pricing by 20% or more.

Unless Company B abandons its moral principles, it will soon lose massive market share to Company A and other companies operating the same way. In fact, Company B will soon be out of business.

BTW, many years ago I worked for Company B.


41 posted on 05/25/2015 9:16:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: TexasGator

He lost you there? Who is he?


42 posted on 05/25/2015 9:26:54 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

Only $25 per hour? Why not $50, 100, 1000, 10,000 or even $1million per hour. I know you are sarcastic and so am I, These are idiots


43 posted on 05/25/2015 9:30:47 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Zero would definitely be the minimum


44 posted on 05/25/2015 9:33:16 AM PDT by uncitizen (The GOPE is bruisin' for a Cruz'n)
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To: Kaslin

The minimum wage push is all about unions, and financed by unions. It has nothing to do with the poor. As usual, the Leftists are using the poor as their weapon of choice... not that it will help the poor in any way if the Marxists succeed.


45 posted on 05/25/2015 9:35:07 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Kaslin

No or little education no or little skills yeah your going to get $15.00 an hour guess what dreams don’t even end up that way and that hand you feel in your pocket is your union rep.


46 posted on 05/25/2015 9:35:50 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: tbw2

Every time the minimum wage is is risen the employer cuts the hours in half or even more. So were does the raise go? Out the door that’s where and these idiots that call for the minimum wage increase don’t even get it in their thick skulls


47 posted on 05/25/2015 9:38:41 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Irishguy

Serves these idiots right


48 posted on 05/25/2015 9:43:27 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Dont know why I thought this was Katie Pavlich.


49 posted on 05/25/2015 10:01:27 AM PDT by CPT Clay
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To: CPT Clay

Same first name


50 posted on 05/25/2015 10:06:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Sherman Logan
Your posts remind me of Econ 101, taught by the TA. One class he was explaining how union negotiators decide an "acceptable" wage demand. I don't remember exactly the formula but I believe had to do with marginal return of something or another. That wasn't the point, the glaring weakness of the construct was the point.

"Mr. TA Sir, that's an interesting analysis. I noticed you didn't analyze how it would impact the owners ROI, or whether the business was currently profitable, or would be under the wage assumptions. Will the business be profitable?

We don't know.

Is that a concern?

No.

And on he went.

Far be it from me to be critical of your economic analysis, of facts no less...but you're tossing assumptions like Pike Place fish.

Far be it from me to stand in the way of " analysis," even when the lives and property of others becomes grease for the tracks of your analysis "tank"... but where is the analysis of current profitability and ROI of the business?

Am I the only person to notice that the interests of the business are not of interest?

I hope you're doing well, Mr. TA.

51 posted on 05/25/2015 10:32:44 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: zeestephen

Even wait staff?


52 posted on 05/25/2015 10:35:26 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: Kaslin

Are those professional protesters getting paid 15/hours or is it less?


53 posted on 05/25/2015 10:48:48 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: gogeo

So the impacts of this proposal on any given business simply cannot be analyzed in advance, and it is not even in theory possible to figure out what they might be.

As I said up front, there are lots of reasons to oppose this proposal, but hyperbole about all the restaurants closing isn’t one of them.

If you object to my admittedly and intentionally simplistic analysis, why don’t you provide one? Why is it necessary to discuss the issue in an intentional fog of vagueness?


54 posted on 05/25/2015 11:07:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

As a consumer, I may be the outlier, but my spending habits are firmly rooted is “What is best for me”. This has many facets to it.

When I NEED something I read packaging labels.

Brand, Country/State of origin, and ingredients. I absolutely refuse to consume Chinese anything... for health reasons and for the reason that it SHOULD BE able to be produced domestically, or by myself at less cost.

It maybe “only be” a $3.79 manual can opener... but the Made In USA label means the employees of that company are paying taxes, as opposed to collecting SNAP benefits. I CHOOSE the “premium” price over the Ding Dong one knowing that the one I picked is most likely not made by slave labor using Chernobyl scrap steel, recycled medical instruments, and ground up aborted fetuses.


55 posted on 05/25/2015 11:11:26 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: gogeo
Re: “Even wait staff?”

As far as I know, yes.

Small businesses can pay $10, instead of the current $11 for big businesses, if the employee receives tips.

I believe Seattle restaurants had to pay minimum wage to wait staff before the recent $15 legislation.

That might be the law nationally.

I parked cars for a national hotel chain in the early 1980’s and got minimum wage plus tips.

56 posted on 05/25/2015 11:20:24 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: bert
The black market is adept at creating trust relationships. Free markets, backed by honest, objective and limited government do too. Fraud is a hallmark law of all societies and historically significant civilizations. Even Hammurabi's Code targets fraud. So...

health certificates and out of date meat

Wouldn't be the default response. That's the bureaucrats' argument and it's false from the start. Remember that Upton Sinclair is a known liar and the Jungle is a work of fiction.

57 posted on 05/25/2015 12:11:53 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Rodamala

A reasonable approach. If more people followed your lead we’d avoid some problems. Sadly, if enough people jump to the Chinese products the US competitors go out of business and you won’t have a US option anymore.

When there is no US option, the alternative for, say, a can opener, are usually between a cheap Chinese version and a fancy European one at perhaps 10x the Chinese price.

At least that’s often been my experience.


58 posted on 05/25/2015 12:14:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
So the impacts of this proposal on any given business simply cannot be analyzed in advance, and it is not even in theory possible to figure out what they might be.

Au Contraire...the impacts are simple to predict, based upon fundamental economic principles. If one wishes to analyze the impact upon business and the number of possible relocations and out-of-business sales that result, it's possible. It cannot be credibly done without analyzing the ROI and profitability of particular businesses before and after a change.

As I said up front, there are lots of reasons to oppose this proposal, but hyperbole about all the restaurants closing isn’t one of them.

As I said, your analysis is insufficient to get one there. There's been a lot of reporting on this issue in the Puget Sound Business Journal. If this $15/hr proposal happens restaurants will see salaries skyrocket.

Know also that the impacts will be felt differently. The Bistro on Eastlake will feel it more harshly than the McDonalds on Westlake.

59 posted on 05/25/2015 12:21:41 PM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: Kaslin

The minimum wage IS zero.

Think about it.


60 posted on 05/25/2015 12:39:55 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down....and to the left.)
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