Posted on 05/28/2015 5:07:07 AM PDT by HomerBohn
Every time this country meddles in the Middle East, it leads to disaster. The best policy is to keep the savages the hell out of civilized countries and let the savages suicide-bomb each other into the land of 72 virgins.
How can Barry and Juan be blamed for wanting to kill off another evil dictator? After all they wanted to bring Amerika’s version of ‘democracy’ to Syria.
Amerika needs to revert to its pre-1912 Republic status, because if it doesn’t then events will surely grow surly and the citizenry will soon be up in arms about something they should have been up in arms about eons ago.
Taking out Saddam was a huge mistake. We can’t even protect our own nation or exert any influence over our own sphere. Saddam was, albeit a tyrant, a stabilizing force In the middle east who protected Jews and Christians and made life miserable for the Iranian mullahs.
Should have done that on 9/12.
None of our damned business! America can't even defend its own borders and has allowed itself to be governed by a bunch of liberal pansies.
Obama wasn’t supposed to be reelected.
ISIS was created to be Romney’s problem.
Hillary could then run against Romney with the claim democrats got us out of Iraq and the republicans got us back in.
In my rudimentary knowledge of Syria, I believe it has been a Russia sphere state for years. It was armed by Russia witness its main aircraft were MiGs.
Obama has said he is not bound to conflicts that began before his birth (or hatching). Coupled with his self centered super ego that he is the world’s second coming, he believes if he thinks it so, it is so. Whatever he says to the contrary, he is muslim in his view of social behavior i.e. the state is not supreme to religous moreys, in fact it is the opposite.
Syria has no value to the US, none beyond being a long time threat to Israel, our ally. So, couple Obama’s world view, his religious leanings, his hatred of Israel and his ego and I can see how he came to the idea of outsting Assad: it supports his idiotic Iranian policies, it supports Islam, it is a slap back at Bush’s war and it pokes Putin in the eye.
Obama is nothing but a petty crapocrat.
No idea.
To my mind, these people simply cannot get their minds around anybody else having a purpose other than becoming as much like meeee as possible.
This is, of course, astonishing because one of the major things they pat themselves on the back for is their tolerance and understanding of The Other.
In actual fact, of course, they don’t really believe The Other exists. Except of course for evil straight white conservative men.
They are probably the most blinkered and self-congratulatory group in the history of the world. Despite, or perhaps partly because, their considering themselves to be so enlightened.
My boss is a proud member of this group. He truly considers all conservatives to be either ignorant, stupid or evil. Despite all this, he is a really great guy.
I’ve worked for him almost 10 years. For the first few years he tried to convert me. I routinely handed him his head in discussion. You see, I fully understand where his group is coming from, but he has quite literally never made any attempt to understand the other side.
Ignorant, stupid, evil. He can’t really believe I’m any of the above, and he simply cannot mentally handle the possibility that he and his group are the ones in the wrong. So we’ve simply stopped discussing these issues.
I think just about everybody has forgotten that Assad was most definitely a supporter of international terrorism.
Doesn’t mean trying to remove him was a good idea, but he is most definitely a bad guy.
Nails it.
Interesting take on the matter. It is the beginnings of a good plot for an Oliver Stone movie :)
Absolutely. Truly eye-opening for me.
We (Americans) didn't build that. Someone else did.
Someone named Husayn, who thinks the call to prayer is "the most beautiful sound on earth", and who would "stand with the Muslims".
I would encourage everyone to read the SOURCE document which the article has linked. It is very interesting and I do not necessarily agree with this author editorial of the document. The document is also heavily redacted.
I’m sorry but HomerBohn is correct.
In every group, organization, business, etc... there are bad apples. However, it seems there are no longer checks and balances. Indeed the fish does rot from the head down.
You seem to be forgetting this coming from the same group of bad Apples that tried to falsely blame gun owners and the 2nd Amendment for shipping guns into Mexico. It was secretly known as the Fast and the Furious okay?
This does not mean everyone in the DOJ, FBI or ATF are guilty. All it means is there are some bad apples that need to be cleaned out. The old cliche of who is policing the police or checks and balances should come to mind.
I know most people in the DOJ, FBI, and ATF are good patriots. However, we seem to have a lot criminals running lose in theses organizations that are committing high treason against the U.S. Constitution.
You see it in religion too. A good analogy would be the Catholic Church and the massive cover up of Priest that are Pedophiles. Does that mean everyone that is Catholic is guilty? The answer is no. But it has to be policed.
Another case in point would be the Penn State Football scandal. Once again children were hurt and no one got in trouble for a very long time. There was a crime and a cover up. The crime was covered up in order to push the money coming in from the great football program. No one was policing inside the system.
We have to get pass this idea that everyone in government is a pure as the driven the snow. History teaches us just the opposite. Government does not love us like Barney the Dinosaur. There are bad apples.
To get back to my main point. To divide Iraq into 3 parts was in the plans for a long time. As far back as 1996 okay?
Here is the proof and links talking about it.
Despite the apparent reservations of Haass and the CFR, the situation unfolding in Iraq will hasten the break-up of the country as outlined by the so-called Joe Biden and Leslie Gelb plan (as announced in 2006 and promoted by The New York Times see 1st link below). Here is a quote,
“The idea, as in Bosnia, is to maintain a united Iraq by decentralizing it, giving each ethno-religious group — Kurd, Sunni Arab and Shiite Arab — room to run its own affairs, while leaving the central government in charge of common interests,” Biden and Gelb wrote.
Leslie Gelb is currently President Emeritus and Board Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a former New York Times columnist.
While Gelb (see second link below) said the plan encountered resistance within the US foreign policy establishment, the plan has been in the making for more than 20 years. That’s that 1996 date for you.
The Bush era pro war guys called for regime change and order out of chaos in Iraq, Libya, Iran Syria and other Muslim countries.
General Wesley Clark admitted (calling them neocons) the existence of the effort drawn up by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz after 9/11 when he said the neocons planned “to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
Prior to this, in 1996 (a second link also talking about the year 1996), a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, created the
“A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” document, also known as the “Clean Break” report. It called for overthrowing Iraq and “rolling back Syria.”
Prior to the Clean Break plan, the Israelis formulated the Yinon Plan,
“which is a continuation of British stratagem in the Middle East,” writes Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya. That’ right the British have been in this area of the world for a long time. What do you Lawrence of Arabia was about?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/01/opinion/01biden.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
in operation known as Benghazi.
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I tend to agree. Though I assume you meant Iraq, not Iran. :)
ISIS is not really a problem. (Except to those under their rule.)
They’re an irritant we can’t be bothered to deal with. IOW, the problem is not ISIS, it’s us.
ISIS, of course, confuses our unwillingness to exert ourselves enough to swat them with their own mightiness and/or God’s protection.
The Taliban believed much the same on 9/10. They were out of power in just a few weeks once we started moving.
Not Bushes fault.
All you have to do is look at Benghazi.
Considering the fact Obama hasn’t talked to Peanuts Carter even once since his election because he doesn’t want to be compared to Peanuts, Obama didn’t just choose or agree to honor Peanuts Carter at the dem convention for nothing.
No one was supposed to fight back at Benghazi. Everyone was supposed to be taken hostage like Peanuts and Iranian hostages.
Blame it on the “right wing extremist” collaborating with the terrorist to make Obama look like Peanuts and you get a nice cover story as to how the terrorist got their hands on all the weapons.
Obama and Hillary didn’t arm up muslim terrorist with weapons, the terrorist got the weapons when the right wing extremist collaborated with the terrorist to make Obama look like Peanuts.
I assume you believe this to have been a bad idea.
What you and many others confuse is the discussion process with various plans being proposed and argued, with a longstanding and carefully implemented policy.
Of course various proposals were made and discussed. That's what policy groups are supposed to do.
For instance, if the Pentagon is doing its job, we have plans in the can for invading every country on the planet. That doesn't mean we're planning the invasion of Canada.
Anywho, your quotes don't really support the idea that we were out to split Iraq into three separate nations. They envision three autonomous regions linked for common purposes in dealing with the outside world.
To my mind, that's the least bad alternative. Do you disagree?
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