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Bear attack victim's father: 'I woke up and saw a bear dragging him' [Smokies]
WCPO ^ | 6-10-15

Posted on 06/11/2015 3:51:20 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: bjorn14

Grizzlies ARE brown bears.


41 posted on 06/11/2015 9:28:58 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Romulus

Wasn’t too rare in the kids case, was it?


42 posted on 06/11/2015 9:40:04 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: ZinGirl
Ha! - was it Cades Cove? Love Gatlinburg! 2nd time, went thru Cades Cove 4 times looking for a bear...never saw one

From reading it they may have started out there but it was obviously on the North Carolina side. It sounds like since a boat was used to transport to help and he went to Ashville instead of Knoxville it was near Fontana Lake or a nearby smaller one on the Little Tennessee river on the NC side of the Smokies. It sounds more likely the Hazel Creek or Eagle Creek area to me. That would put them near the lake if they went down either trail and were hiking out on the Fontana Lake end of either creek. Oh and bears isn't the only issue. Hogs are in the Smokies also but easier to escape if you can climb a tree.

Laws is laws but back country hiking minus a firearm of at least .357 caliber IMO isn't smart. I've hiked back country in that area before. You accidentally get bet wen a female bear and her cub and you can have hell to pay. You may not even see the cub.

43 posted on 06/11/2015 10:08:03 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: bert

From personal experience, it is hard to get every bit of food into your Hanging food pack. Yes, maybe he left a candy bar in his pocket.


44 posted on 06/11/2015 10:28:32 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: driftless2

They are about. I live in the Cumberland Mountains near the Cumberland Gap National Park and black bears seen all the time. I have also had them on my property and my mother in laws. You just have to watch with your garbage and pet food mainly. I used to feed the deer corn but had to give that up as the bears were being drawn to it and were destroying my feeders.

When out and about on our property I usually carry a .44 magnum or .357 magnum with one snake shot load and the rest hunting rounds for bears, snakes and two legged miscreants who my be about without permission. I carry more for snakes than bears or goblins. I hate copperheads, nasty, aggressive little bastages!


45 posted on 06/11/2015 11:24:06 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: RandallFlagg

Don’t leave home without it.


46 posted on 06/11/2015 11:45:08 AM PDT by Chuckster ("Them Rag Heads just ain't rational" Curly Bartley 1973)
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To: driftless2

I didn’t know if you lived in bear country or just traveling through. Parts of Texas have mountains lions but no bear( that I know of ) I don’t want to live near neither one .


47 posted on 06/11/2015 12:05:16 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: bjorn14
Where I live, on an island way up North and way out West, we have black bears and, on the South end of the island, Brownies (Alaskan Coastal Brown Bears). In general, they are not much of a problem as they are pretty well fed on their natural foods, which explains why our Brownies are so much bigger than their genetically identical inland cousins, Grizzlies. Still, no one here would suggest that they are not a threat on the trails and even in town sometimes. Bears of both species are very common in anchorages used by cruisers and fishing boats. Bears? What bears?

When we first got here we asked about bear protection. The consensus went like this:

1. 12 ga shotgun loaded with magnum bear slugs
2. .45-70 gov lever gun*
3. .30-'06 or .308 rifle*
4. .44 Rem Mag or larger revolver

(*Because they can also be used for moose hunting)

Any mention of bear spray or smaller calibers is met with scorn and derision or outright laughter.

48 posted on 06/11/2015 12:18:16 PM PDT by Chuckster ("Them Rag Heads just ain't rational" Curly Bartley 1973)
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To: Ditter

I’ve read that the Chisos Mountain in Big Bend Nat. Park have some bears. The wife and I love Big Bend, and have driven into the mts. as far as we could go in a car. Didn’t see any bears though.


49 posted on 06/11/2015 1:21:49 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: sarge83

My cousins hunting buddy saw a black bear on Norris Freeway the other night. Looking at the news one was spotted in Campbell Co also. Last year on I-75 at Callahan Drive one was killed on the interstate. With this bad dry spell I’d say it’s put them on the move this spring.


50 posted on 06/11/2015 2:42:22 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: driftless2
I guess bears could be in Big Bend but as I remember there wouldn't be much cover for them. I have heard that years ago the wooded parts of east Texas had the occasional bear. I know for a fact that there are mountain lions in south Texas. We have caught them on our game cameras. In the middle of the night they came to the tank for water. I saw a mountain lion across the Rio Grand in Mexico in the middle of the afternoon. That was neat!
51 posted on 06/11/2015 2:46:10 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

According to something I just read on the BBNP off. website there is a small colony of bears in the park. They re-emerged in the ‘80s after many decades of being absent due to hunting and other factors. The figure some sow from Mexico crossed the Rio Grande and met up with some lonely male. They have some photos of bears in the park.


52 posted on 06/11/2015 3:44:22 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

Nice, I hope they do well there!


53 posted on 06/11/2015 4:07:59 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: cyclotic

Other articles say their food was properly hung. I admit to sometimes viewing black bears as kinda cute overgrown raccoons, but they’re dangerous, and said to be more likely to attack as a predator than browns. Don’t think they made any mistakes. Glad everyone is ok, bear excepted. I wouldn’t have been there unarmed.


54 posted on 06/11/2015 4:46:25 PM PDT by SJackson (an emotional nation, not a rational nation. You work from your gut and not your mind, BHO on Israel)
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To: Ditter; driftless2

They’re said to be in the Chisos.


55 posted on 06/11/2015 4:48:51 PM PDT by SJackson (an emotional nation, not a rational nation. You work from your gut and not your mind, BHO on Israel)
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To: from occupied ga

I kinda wondered about that “camp”. Homeless? Illegals?


56 posted on 06/11/2015 4:54:30 PM PDT by SJackson (an emotional nation, not a rational nation. You work from your gut and not your mind, BHO on Israel)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Or big cities


57 posted on 06/11/2015 4:55:33 PM PDT by SJackson (an emotional nation, not a rational nation. You work from your gut and not your mind, BHO on Israel)
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To: Varda

Don’t know if anyone keeps stats. Blacks (bears) are more likely to eat you. And young males, likely unattached, can be a problem. Wouldn’t be surprised if blacks are responsible for more deaths, but there are more of them. And closer to population centers.


58 posted on 06/11/2015 4:58:54 PM PDT by SJackson (an emotional nation, not a rational nation. You work from your gut and not your mind, BHO on Israel)
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To: Romulus; WKUHilltopper
FYI, firearms are not permitted in GSMNP

Whether someone carries is personal choice, however other than designated structures, firearms in National Parks are governed by state law. If you can carry in TN/NC, both reasonable states in terms of reciprocity, you can carry in the park. Other state regulations regarding possession of firearms would apply.

It's still a federal crime to discharge your weapon, and people have been charged with that after stopping near fatal attacks.

59 posted on 06/11/2015 5:06:26 PM PDT by SJackson (an emotional nation, not a rational nation. You work from your gut and not your mind, BHO on Israel)
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To: SJackson
I kinda wondered about that “camp”. Homeless? Illegals?

No nothing like that. Probably a place long the trail others had previously camped at. The area was Hazel Creek which drains into Fontana Lake. It's back country, no man made hikers shelter, and they were likely sleeping in a tent or lean too. They were in North Carolina and the dad obviously knew his whereabouts enough to wisely head down to the lake otherwise it would have been a much longer hike back over the top of the mountain and down to the Cades Cove road area.

Where they were is not a well traveled area. A person can camp in there for even a few weeks and possibly see no one else. Bears in that area are notorious for busting into tents, lean-too, etc searching for food. We came back to our camp once in Eagle Creek {next water shed over} and a bear's butt was sticking out of our lean-too LOL. We had our food secured in a tree thankfully and had been out Trout fishing that afternoon.

Most of the time you can yell at them and they will break and run. But a Sow with cubs can kill you on a whim. It's a very serious situation then. I've gone through Cades Coves area and seen Morons get out of their cars with camera and try to see how close they could get to bear cubs to snap a picture.

Too in back country if the bear has been going around established park service built shelters they have learned how to bluff people for their food. Someone posted the park service removed the cages off the front of the shelters. Very bad idea. If you are in the shelter there is no back exit. The shelters are basically a wood {log} structure with three sides and a roof and fireplace. The front side is left completely open. They have maybe room to sleep 8-16 depending on size.

60 posted on 06/11/2015 5:35:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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