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To: Hostage
IT = HIGH LEVEL MONKEY WORK NOT WORTH THE MONEY.

Let me explain some things to you, cockroach:

I work in chip design in the Silicon Valley. While my particular sector isn't "IT", it is flooded with H1-B visas.

What we've seen the past 15 years is that employers bring the foreigners here by the boatloads, and work them to death (which they can, because they hold the reigns on them getting Green Cards).

But of course, this abuse extends beyond just the H1-Bs. Because of both there being so many H1-Bs, and the fact that the labor market has (on purpose) been flooded with foreigners, the abusive work conditions become the norm for all chip designers in the US.

Don't like being abused? In the old days (pre-2001 or so) you could tell your boss to "take your job and shove it", and go the next month to a colossal job fair where there would be 10 or so companies eager to talk to you.

Do that now? Or just lose your job due to outsourcing / downsizing / department or division or project shut-down?

Well, if you're over 35, you most likely won't be working in a full-time job with benefits ever again. You'll be pushed into the realm of contracting-only. After all, why should companies make a commitment to you, when an endless buffet of overseas talent to abuse is delivered to them hot and fresh courtesy of sell-outs like our US Government officials? (Cruz and Obama and all in-between.) That contract job? It will last about 5 months until the job is done or the company hiccups and as a first line of cost-cutting dumps the contractors. Then you get to take another 3-7 months to find another job. WITHOUT UNEMPLOYMENT, BECAUSE YOU WERE A CONTRACTOR.

This is no theoretical, this has been my life the past 8 years. You can't ever feel stable. You can't ever even dream of owning a home, let alone in the $ilicon Valley, because of the financial instability. (That, and you're up against people who move their whole family over, and use overseas money to buy the homes.)

You want to call what I do "monkey work", cockroach? THEN KISS MY ASS!

193 posted on 06/14/2015 1:53:54 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

> “Let me explain some things to you, cockroach:”

Sounds like you need to get out and enjoy life a little.

> “I work in chip design in the Silicon Valley. While my particular sector isn’t “IT”, it is flooded with H1-B visas.”

Yep, that’s true. Lots of H1B abuses as in ABUSES. No argument here.

> “What we’ve seen the past 15 years is that employers bring the foreigners here by the boatloads, and work them to death (which they can, because they hold the reigns on them getting Green Cards).”

Yep again, that’s true again. Lots of H1B abuses as in ABUSES. No argument here (Yawn).

> “But of course, this abuse extends beyond just the H1-Bs. Because of both there being so many H1-Bs, and the fact that the labor market has (on purpose) been flooded with foreigners, the abusive work conditions become the norm for all chip designers in the US.”

Yep again times 3, that’s true again times 3. Lots of H1B abuses as in ABUSES. No argument here (Snore).

> “Don’t like being abused? In the old days (pre-2001 or so) you could tell your boss to “take your job and shove it”, and go the next month to a colossal job fair where there would be 10 or so companies eager to talk to you.”

Yeppers, those was da deys .... (giggle)

> “Do that now? Or just lose your job due to outsourcing / downsizing / department or division or project shut-down?”

I know I know, Life’s a Bitch and then you Die.

> “Well, if you’re over 35, you most likely won’t be working in a full-time job with benefits ever again. You’ll be pushed into the realm of contracting-only. After all, why should companies make a commitment to you, when an endless buffet of overseas talent to abuse is delivered to them hot and fresh courtesy of sell-outs like our US Government officials? (Cruz and Obama and all in-between.) That contract job? It will last about 5 months until the job is done or the company hiccups and as a first line of cost-cutting dumps the contractors. Then you get to take another 3-7 months to find another job. WITHOUT UNEMPLOYMENT, BECAUSE YOU WERE A CONTRACTOR.

Yeppers again, Life’s a Double Bitch and then you Die and it Hurts (snore).

> “This is no theoretical, this has been my life the past 8 years. You can’t ever feel stable. You can’t ever even dream of owning a home, let alone in the $ilicon Valley, because of the financial instability. (That, and you’re up against people who move their whole family over, and use overseas money to buy the homes.)”

Yeppers times 3, Life’s a triple whammy Bitch from Hell, and then you Die buried alive!

> “You want to call what I do “monkey work”, cockroach? THEN KISS MY ASS!”

Do you have a cute ass? Or are you male? Because if you’re male, I can possibly get you introduced to the top queer in Silicon Valley. You know the one selling all the watches these days?

I am sure Ted is relieved that I don’t speak for him. But he has expressed his concerns over the present H1B abuses. He wants to take the H1B program back to what it was originally intended for which is to attract and retain top scientific and technical talent.

In my view Ted has no intention of flooding America with more IT workers from India. Rather he wants to attract or retain the talent that keeps America at the top. That’s not done by granting Disney a whole cache of approved H1Bs so that they can layoff their American born techies. But no one can prevent Disney from closing their IT shop down and offshoring it.

Sorry for your particular circumstances but I am very familiar with the tech field as in VERY FAMILIAR, more familiar than I care to be. The successful programmers, coders and IT specialists are those that are quick to adapt and fill market gaps. It’s very competitive even without all the H1B abuses. I doubt your life would have been a piece of cake even if no H1Bs had been issued to your field of expertise. I see the competition now in the new internet marketing, SEO, SEM and ecommerce. The competition is fiercer than fierce; it’s brutal. And there are no H1B abuses in that field yet because it demands a mastery of language and analytics as well as always a fine ability to communicate and anticipate corporate needs. I get stressed just thinking about it.

Anyways, good luck to you.


195 posted on 06/14/2015 2:20:29 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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