Posted on 06/18/2015 10:38:37 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
I will not vote for Cruz, or any other candidate who supports TPP. It there is no choice other than that, I’ll just stay home.
And Ted Cruz cannot distance himself from any of its repercussions.
Hillary isn’t against it. She wrote it.
1) What he's saying is that TPA is like all the other trade bills since FDR, and that there have been a lot of them. This is broadly verifiable, since he says TPA is a public document. Can someone settle this?
2) Trade is good. Check that: Trade is essential. There is no development or wealth without it. Thomas Sowell has always told us so, and I believe him.
3) Freer trade is better trade. Pat Buchanan is wrong on this. Truly freer, that is: Not just freer for contributors to the party in power who want to import cheap stuff and let the regs entangle everyone else. That got us the Civil War, if you remember. But the key is that putting shackles on trade is putting shackles on innovation, competition, and ultimately on American prosperity. Example: For decades, we protected the auto unions in Detroit by keeping Japanese cars out of the country. All that did was remove incentives for Detroit to keep improving their cars. Finally, the restrictions and tariffs were lowered, and the Japanese cars came in—having developed in more competitive markets. They clobbered Detroit. Not just on price, but on design, performance, reliability, service, and INTELLIGENCE. Without protecting our lax and corrupt auto industry, our cars would have improved 35 years earlier, and we probably wouldn't have lost that whole city in the meantime.
4) Does the vote on TPA truly function as a cloture vote on TPP? I'd like to see confirmation of this. Has anyone asked the Senator this, and has he responded, or refused to respond? Is TPP genuinely unbeatable by anything short of a hurricane making landfall in the District, no matter how bad the bill is? Can someone truly demonstrate this? So far, I haven't seen Cruz make empty claims, which that would imply. But I would consider evidence. As I read them, the responses cited are logical and clear, and consistent with what I know.
The main collision here seems to be between the free trade view and the tariff view of the world—which is the Democrats' turf. That's where your goal is to pass special tariffs to protect your friends and contributors—as opposed to a free-for-all that rewards innovation. My read of history is that the latter system is more just and involves less government interference, and embodies what has made America succeed.
Agreed.
So you have no problem with the fact that our legislatures are not writing these laws and are not ammending these laws. Answer the question. Who is writing them ? We want names and affiliations.
China and India are not included in TPP.
What part of *ANYONE* is unclear?
I will not vote for, or support anyone who supports this bill. Period.
Anyone supporting this should be hung. Slowly, and buried outside of the USA.
Bttt
Still support Cruz myself. As corrupt as this government has become, he will be the best they will ever allow us to get. Short of a revolution.
Have you read it? Are they included in some back door clause or as part of a trade agreement they have with one of the signing countries?
I thought the whole agreement was top secret. Do you have an inside source?
Well, yes, gotta hand it to you there!
Of course she was *for* it when she wrote it, but now she is *against* it, after writing it, until she is *for* it again after writing it and being *against* it after she was *for* it. Hillary is a perfect bobble head.
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Think of it this way.
The TPA (rules of passing trade agreements, agreements, treaties, etc...) just cut the debate time in congress to ONLY 60 days from unlimited time. Congress did this in order to RAM through Obama-Trade legislation before anyone has enough time to vet it out. That way the congress along with the controlled media can call anyone “conspiracy theorist” for being “skeptical” as our Founding Fathers encouraged us to be about any new draconian trade legislation/agreements.
It also lowered the vote threshold in congress to pass a trade agreement, agreement, treaty, etc...to 51% from 2/3rds that had been in our country for over 200 years. Bottom line this makes it easier to BRIBE CONGRESS since it requires less people to bribe.
Cruz, Boehner and McConnell were more than orgasmiclly excited to give the Administration even more power. This is even though last November the Republicans were elected to stop the Administration. Now the MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS have showed their true colors.
When you hear the words “Free Trade” today think this means the United States IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT PAYS TARIFFS while the countries DO NOT PAY TARIFFS.
It’s just like in the book 1984 where they “War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength”. Everything is turn on its head. It’s the opposite of what it says. For instance, the “Affordable Care Act” (aka Obamacare) is anything but affordable. The “Patriot Act” that was used to illegally target all Americans, instead of real terrorist via the NSA scandal, is anything but patriotic. We were lied too and no one went to prison. It’s all a giant scam.
Anyhow, the Trans Pacific Partnership (aka the TPP) is a trade agreement that is being hidden from the public. How is that for transparency? Although parts of it has been leaking out.
The TPP will ENCOURAGE COMPANIES TO LEAVE the United States. That way they can avoid paying Tariffs, have less regulation, less taxes and a cheaper slave labor. If companies want to stay here, will still have to pay Tariffs, taxed and regulated out of business. Just as Obama promised to do to the Coal industry.
Think about it this way. During the second world war our main attack was on German industry, factories, energy companies, etc. THAT.... is what is slowly happening to the United States today. These are completely rigged trade deals (since we pay tariffs and the countries we have agreements with do not) that has been eroding our Republic since 1996.
Think of it this way too. Prior to NAFTA in 1996 we were the World’s ONLY true Super Power. We had been that way for 50 years since World War II. That’s was also before we had any of these rigged trade agreements. The country ran just fine. We had our issues, but it was not like this now.
Oh the trade is only a small part of the TPP. There is additional draconian legislation where foreign communist countries will have more power than our congress. So expect carbon taxes and a gun legislation via the trade bill. This is the stealth way the Administration gets around congress, the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
This is why Obama was pushing so hard for this, and the Republicans like Boehner, McConnell and Cruz were more than happy to help him instead of blocking.
This is horrible for the United States, but many of these Republicans are going to keep trying to bamboozle the gullible American public.
The twelve countries involved in TPP are, Australia, Brunia Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand,, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, USA.
My objection (hanging together here) is not the favorable history of trade agreements of yesterday, nor even the moving target of the contents, nor is it even the process of these two bills. It’s the TIMING and it’s OBAMA. Period.
I don’t want to see his signature on anything for fifteen months. I don’t want to hear his voice on issues for fifteen months. I want him frozen in place as near as that is made possible, for fifteen months.
Yesterday is gone, as Rubio said. Trust is dead. Our government is corrupt. We have evidence! :)
You pretty much need "fast track" in order to get any negotiated treaty passed, because you can't have a finished treaty be amended by congress, since that would require that version to be resubmitted back to the treaty partners for approval.
That said, it doesn't remove the Constitutional necessity of having a 2/3 majority to approve them.
Calling them "trade agreements" to get around the 2/3 requirements rather than simply having up/down votes on them as treaties is dishonest. Of course anyone who looks for honesty from our government is a fool who will ultimately be disappointed. Our feral government will do what it wants, when it wants to get what will most quickly enrich the oligarchy.
I think Cruz would have done better to have fought this from the perspective of this undermining of Constitutional authority. That would put him clearly on the side of supporting a 'fast track' provision for treaty negotiations, while at the same time opposing this particular legislation because it undermines the Constitution and the Senate's advice and consent powers/requirements.
Reject it?? He’s already voted for it by voting for TPA! Anything that happens now is theater. Wake up people we continue to get played. This only gets fixed by getting rid of every single federal employee regardless of what party they supposedly represent.
Like Mark Levin said..why give fast track to Obama when he is not for free trade? Why not wait until we have a president we can trust. What is the hurry?
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