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Take Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill
MSNBC ^ | June 21, 2015 | Mary Kathryn Nagle

Posted on 06/22/2015 9:13:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I hate using ATMs. It’s not the lines that bother me, nor is it the inevitable awkwardness of the person lurking behind you, seemingly in a rush and looking over your shoulder as you type. No, I hate ATMs because I know when I swipe my card, when the machine dispenses pieces of my livelihood, I have to see that face. His face. On the $20 bill.

When historian David Greenberg thinks of Andrew Jackson, he thinks of democracy. When I see Andrew Jackson, I think of my grandmother’s spit.

* * *

The trip was long. And for an eleven-year-old, somewhat painful. Wedged in the backseat between my younger sisters and their respective mountains of Barbies, the eight hour drive felt like an insufferable eternity.

Girls, my father’s voice would boom every time our incessant complaining crossed his fatherly-defined threshold: Quiet. We are going to visit the grave of a president.

When we finally arrived, I jumped out of our minivan and began exploring. But when I caught a glimpse of my grandma, my legs came to a standstill.

I watched as my grandma walked straight to the president’s grave. She stood for half a second, then her neck arched back, her body heaved forward, and for the first time in my life, I saw my grandma spit. It wasn’t a casual spit. It was a once in a lifetime spit. I watched as the saliva of our ancestors flowed through her mouth and hit that grave with an echo that turned heads and stopped conversations.

She turned and walked straight back to the minivan. Let’s go. And so we left....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: andrewjackson; cherokee; indians; oklahoma
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Take Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill

Request denied.

101 posted on 06/22/2015 10:49:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The new GOP slogan: "Vote for us!!! We are exactly the same as the Democrats !!!")
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To: Mollypitcher1
Obviously you have ZERO knowledge of the American Indian Cultures AND of their influences on our own system of government! YES there were many different Native cultures just as there were different physical characteristics among the various tribes. The Cherokee were a SUPERIOR culture and should be studied, not denigrated!

Did the American Indians have railroads? Did they have cannons? repeating rifles? Did they have steam engines? microscopes? weaving machines? Those were the things they faced in the 19th century when their culture was competing with American/Western culture. My point, which you ignore, is that old or primitive cultures will always be eliminated by more advanced ones. Do American Indians today drive cars? use computers? Take antibiotics? Watch television? They themselves are part of the process. In America today, we are taught in 2nd grade that everyone is valuable and everyone gets a prize. Sorry, but history and evolution do not teach this.

102 posted on 06/22/2015 10:50:45 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Red Badger
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103 posted on 06/22/2015 11:02:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: The Final Harvest
Don’t be ignorant .. the REPUBLICAN IDIOLOGY .. WAS NOT FORMALLY ORGANIZED .. BUT IT SURELY WAS PRESENT DURING THE FORMING OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

Over the decades the Democratic-Republicans changed their name to the Democratis Party. For short, they used to be called Republicans (early 19th century). Party shifts came with political realignments. Many of our values, decentralized government especially, were held by those Democrats, the Democrats of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. The Federalists were for a stronger central government, and in particular a central bank. Much of their platform became obsolete as the country matured, and they were replaced by the Whigs, who were in turn replaced by the Republicans.
104 posted on 06/22/2015 11:11:29 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Talisker

Try Reading. You might learn something.
But then again, that might be another class you missed out on.


105 posted on 06/22/2015 11:11:58 AM PDT by Tupelo (I fell more like Phillip Nolan every day.)
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To: PGR88

What good are cannons and computers when you have no food to eat. You totally ignore the contributions Native Cultures have made to agriculture, medicine, and architecture, to name just a few.

When the corn blight wiped out the “White Man’s Corn” it was back to the Native Americans of the Southwest that the U.S. Bureau of Agriculture appealed. The “dumb, stupid, backwoods injuns” had a disease resistant corn. Guess what! They saved our corn fields.

They were also capable of gowing corn where white men failed. WHY? Because they paid attention to where the rains and snows drained off the cliffs and peaks and planted accordingly and deep into the earth. THEY created and understood and were the forerunners of “irrigation systems.”

HOW did the cliff dwellers engineer to the final degree the placement of support beams in order to allow the construction of high-rise dwellings that existed and still exist for over a thousand years. They also understood the principles of cantilever balconies and other support systems.

They originated creosote treatments of wood to prevent rot as well as perfecting a “glue” that was the forerunner of “Superglue” only they had it a thousand years ago.

The Cherokee could not go to war without permission of the “War Woman.” A member of the tribal council who was the ONLY person capable of declaring war! A woman in such an important place on a tribal council....oh my....the world is going to end. (sarc.)

Next time you take an aspirin remember the “Indians’ used it ages ago for the very same reasons you do!
Besides the fact that the Plymouth Colony would all have died without the help they received from the natives, there are hundreds of examples off why your arrogant idea that they were an inferior people is HOGWASH!


106 posted on 06/22/2015 11:14:13 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Replace him with Reagan.


107 posted on 06/22/2015 11:14:44 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: reg45

Same difference.


108 posted on 06/22/2015 11:26:02 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: The Final Harvest

Hamilton was most definitely a Federalist. He believed in a very strong central government. He was the country’s first Treasury Secretary, and had a class of USCG cutters (formerly known as Revenue Cutters) named after him. Probably my least favorite founder. Brave guy in the Revolution, though; I’ll give him that.


109 posted on 06/22/2015 11:32:03 AM PDT by Pecos (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.)
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To: Impy
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110 posted on 06/22/2015 11:36:23 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Tupelo

>> Jackson defied the Supreme Court and marched the five “civilized” tribes of the southeast at gun point to what is now Oklahoma <<

Read your NE Mississippi history (Treaty of Pontotoc, etc.), and you’ll learn that the Chickasaw didn’t leave at gunpoint. They negotiated a much better deal with the USG than did the other “civilized” tribes, and they departed MS and TN under peaceful conditions.

(It’s true, to be sure, that many of them didn’t want to leave the bucolic environs of Pontotoc and Tupelo. But at least they never suffered the “trail of tears” tragedy that befell the Cherokee.)


111 posted on 06/22/2015 11:50:13 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Jim Noble

I LIKE the way you think but watch out, some here will start calling you looney, “the world can’t work on X tonnes of gold currently available”, or “that $20 paper is REALLY ‘worth’ the same as that $20 gold piece”....yadda yadda

Next you’ll be spouting off about that Constitution thingy and possible barred /s


112 posted on 06/22/2015 11:54:42 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Olog-hai

>> There were no Republicans in 1804 <<

Wrong. Jefferson and Madison called their party “Republican.” But Andrew Jackson’s folks changed the name to “Democratic.”

And in between, the party was sometimes called the Democratic Republicans.

But Hamilton definitely was not with them. His party was the Federalists.


113 posted on 06/22/2015 11:54:54 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What a bunch of hogwash. Andrew wasn't perfect, as his relations with American natives was terrible, but he saw himself as a champion of the little man, of the average joe, which is one of the reasons he opposed the national bank.
114 posted on 06/22/2015 11:59:51 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Hawthorn

Fair enough to say that there were still no Republicans in 1804 in the modern sense. Jeffersonian Republicans were more dedicated to republicanism FWICS.


115 posted on 06/22/2015 12:00:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Tupelo
Try Reading. You might learn something. But then again, that might be another class you missed out on.

Make your crap up somewhere else.

116 posted on 06/22/2015 12:02:58 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: The Final Harvest

Yes, I’m sure they don’t have the foggiest clue. So keep it under your hat.


117 posted on 06/22/2015 12:53:22 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Tupelo
Author Mary Kathryn Nagle's grandmother visiting the gravesite of President Jackson and hocking a loogey is the fantasy.

The author's grandfather would not have subjected his family to such trauma. This is a tall tale, a fib, a lie, a fabrication, a story...whatever you want to call it...the event almost assuredly did not happen as described.

118 posted on 06/22/2015 1:48:16 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: b4its2late

I got it. Mary Kathryn Nagle.


119 posted on 06/22/2015 1:48:49 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jackson reduce the national debt to $0. Of course libs cannot stand him.


120 posted on 06/22/2015 2:13:58 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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