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To: A Navy Vet
The History Channel is the MSM. It is a part of the MSM, and what you see on there may or may not be true.

I am MUCH more inclined to regard you personally via your personal first-hand or even second-hand experiences to be credible, MUCH more so than the History Channel.

Any research I do leaves out The History Channel, Wikipedia, and other standard processed info, as sources. They're useful for getting an idea of what might or might be historically accurate and therefore set one on the path to learning more elsewhere, but that is all.

By the way, with your real experience -- do you honestly believe that "professional" criminal bikers protecting their "territory" would engage in a hand-to-hand fight with guns, at that time and that place in the presence of at least half a dozen marked cop cars (officially admitted and upheld by witnesses -- the bikers drove RIGHT PAST them on their way to said "rumble")? And that their partners in crime apparently get away with the same crimes constantly because of those arrested, only a third even had prior arrest records?

I will tell you this: the true one percenters you talk about, a few of whom I have known personally and more I've had very close second-hand and indirect knowledge, and whose families I've known for decades, NOT A ONE OF THEM would choose that time, that place, to do what the police narrative claims they did. It is totally, completely out of character.

Yet THAT is the narrative of law enforcement and the MSM.

82 posted on 06/23/2015 11:08:46 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
"do you honestly believe that "professional" criminal bikers protecting their "territory" would engage in a hand-to-hand fight with guns, at that time and that place in the presence of at least half a dozen marked cop cars (officially admitted and upheld by witnesses"

Guess you didn't hear of the brawl/shootout in Lauglin some years ago between the HA's and the Mongols. There was plenty of security in the bar that had to intervene. Just friggin watch the Gangland series on outlaw bikers and you'll see the body count over the years from competing 1%ers.

And no, as much as they try, they are not "professional". That's why they get infiltrated by LEO's so often and have mass arrests for various felonies and RICO. Watch it. You'll be convinced how awful they've become. BTW, some clubs are now pimping. How nice. I give up.

87 posted on 06/23/2015 11:20:06 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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