Posted on 06/26/2015 4:00:53 PM PDT by Isara
This tells me that most citizens have never understood the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers. Did you know that basically the only power that the Founders delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, to regulate an aspect of intrastate commerce is to decide policy for the US Mail Sevice (1.8.7).
In other words, the states have always had the 10th Amendment-protected power to establish their own social spending programs that so many voters are now dependent on the corrupt feds for, most of these federal spending programs unconstitutional imo.
In fact, here’s two excerpts from Supreme Court case opinions that express not only the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers, but appropriately the fed’s limited power to tax and spend.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
The Founding States had undoubtedly expected federal senators to protect their states by killing bills which not only steal 10th Amendment-protected state powers, but also steal state revenues associated with those powers.
So what government services were citizens demanding from the constitutionally humbled federal government that they couldn’t get from their constitutionally powerful states?
Also, I cannot figure out why, since FDR was evidently a popular president, he didn’t establish his social spending programs within the framework of the Constitution by first leading Congress to proprose appropriate amendments to the Constitution to the states. He instead made a fool out of himself by attempting to stack the Supreme Court with activist justices who shared his “great society” ideas.
Pfl
Even now, we still have one interim step available to us to effect the sort of change We The People want to see in Washington, and that is, massive, unrelenting, and sustained civil disobedience.
If a few million patriots showed up at the Capitol and loudly protested for weeks on end, it would force the MSM to pay attention to our grievances, and would force Congress to submit to our demands. Acts of civil disobedience (not violence) would have to be a major ingredient of such a protest. People would have to be willing to break some rules and go to jail for it.
They wouldn't have the capacity to arrest us all.
But it would take millions to make it happen, and as I said, it's only an opportunity to get the job done without bloodshed.
Wasn't it some Glen Beck or Tea Party thing in Washington DC somewhere in the past 5 years that 2 million people showed up for an the liberal lamestream media IGNORED it?
2 million Conservatives garnered ZERO network news coverage.
2 million (or more) pissed off patriots exercising their second amendment rights in Washington DC is gonna get some attention and make some eyes POP.
As I said earlier, we live in a tyranny. The only response tyranny is going to understand is the free, heavy, sustained and overwhelming demonstration why the Second Amendment exists.
Not that I wish for it, or hell not that I even want to see it happen --- to me it just feels like it's inevitable. I don't say that with any glee either.
“even if most Americans support it”.
30-some states went to the polls and overwhelmingly voted it down. Never believe some leftist poll that says the majority of Americans support this nonsense.
The RINOs will team up with democrats to try and ruin Ted Cruz.
Probably before the first debate. He’s a younger version of Ronald Reagan and they are scared to death of him.
Those people showed up to listen to impassioned speeches in the park, while peacefully waving banners and flags.
That's NOT what I'm talking about. Not even close.
Think more along the lines of the Arab Spring protests in Egypt. I'm talking Millions of angry, pissed off Americans, who are willing to break a few rules to get the attention of our elected reps and the rest of fedgov.
When MLK and his supporters marched through the South, that was civil disobedience. It caused a lot of friction. It got a lot of media attention. A lot of people went to jail, and some were even hurt.
But, it got the job done. Those people didn't bring guns, but they did bring their defiance and willingness to confront whatever brutality the state could deliver, in order to secure their rights.
And they changed a nation by doing so.
I think that most of us here have realized that the system is too corrupt to work within. Nothing but force, or a threat of force, is going to get them to move a muscle. But before we march on the Capitol with guns, we need to take next logical step, which is, unrelenting, massive protests, employing carefully crafted acts of civil disobedience.
If we don't take that next logical step, then we will find ourselves with no option BUT force to accomplish our ends. I'd rather get this done without bloodshed, and it is doable.
Why would you make such an asinine statement unless you intended to imply that I am suggesting attacking the White House??????
What I stated was simply an undeniable fact: lawless tyrants are not beholden to the law and will not be moved by more laws we attempt to restrain them with. Suddenly that statement means that I suggest attacking the White House????
With God’s help, and Cruz in the president’s seat, we have a chance to save this country.
God is not going to help save this country after we sat on our hands as the culture kicked Him out of it.
Saving the country is going to require this nation pull a II Chronicles 7:14 en masse, and I do not see that happening right now - especially considering I am a pastor.
As to Cruz - while he above all others appeals to me, I warn against putting faith in political messiahs. No man is going to save us from the consequences we have piled up. We have no monarch except Jesus and part of our problem has been to treat politicians as saviors in election cycles. That is a very real danger as this is how a people make government their God and create cults of personality in government.
The only coverage the Tea Party gets is the Left-Wing Plant that tries to make the TP look like a bunch of gun crazy racists.
And they usually succeed.
Sadly, the left owns the media. Own the media, own the message.
On top of that, they own the schools and can start in with their Indoctrination at an early age.
If anyone knows how to counter the media and academia, let me know.
Time and circumstance. It’s a hard cob, and survivable.
In a tyranny, all one needs to do is refuse to comply, defy and resist what they demand, and the Beast will go and make public examples of us in order to create a climate of fear.
Simply refusing to comply will engender the same results of getting attention without risk of getting mowed down with a mob by tyrants who have already declared us to be terrorists in government documents worthy of military response.
I do agree with you and that is a big reason why I am leaning more and more towards Trump. The rest of the field and the media are going to savage Sen. Cruz and his message simply will not get out, what little that does will be mocked. While Cruz has released some excellent statements this week, what is the media image I have for this week? A picture of Cruz leaning forward with a gun to his head. Not his excellent rebuttal to the embarrassment to the law, but a gun to his head. Trump cannot be bought, he can play the media like a fiddle, is the only one who can use the media and blow past them. He will have the ability to tap into a populist movement for American jobs and prestige once again. I love Ted Cruz and donate to him but he needs to get to the debates where people can hear him but I fear by the time we get to that point at least half of his own party will have turned on him. Truly a lone voice in the wilderness.
So waiting for the right time under the right circumstances?
It might be a long wait.
We need something more pro-active, like parents attending school board meetings and telling them that they will not allow their children to be indoctrinated.
As for media, we have a nation of idiots that think every sitcom resembles real life, complete with the homo neighbor that is just the greatest guy in the world, but the Father figure character is an inept boob.
And that’s the way the homo’s in Hollywood have planned it.
Ward Cleaver is long gone from TV - IDK much about sitcoms these days, but their is usually a homo couple that are just swell, and the Father of the family is an incompetent boob that is the butt of most of the jokes.
And the schools are pushing the homo agenda on 5 year olds.
The media will “Palinize” Trump.
And he will most likely give them perfect opportunities to do so.
> “So what government services were citizens demanding from the constitutionally humbled federal government that they couldn’t get from their constitutionally powerful states?”
Mark Levin mentions the relevant factor is the large money creation machine via the Federal Reserve. The States have no such machine.
> “Also, I cannot figure out why, since FDR was evidently a popular president, he didn’t establish his social spending programs within the framework of the Constitution by first leading Congress to propose appropriate amendments to the Constitution to the states.”
FDR was not popular into his 2nd term. He swung to the right. And then the wars came. He had no mandate for amendments.
> “He instead made a fool out of himself by attempting to stack the Supreme Court with activist justices who shared his “great society” ideas.””
He threatened to stack the Supreme Court because they were declaring many of his New Deal Programs unconstitutional.
Obama and the democrats used the FDR playbook for Social Security nearly verbatim when they initially defended the PPACA Obamacare before the Supreme Court. They used FDR’s gameplan as a template for their own.
FDR had been selling his Social Security as just an old age pensioner program that was voluntary. But the Supreme Court was looking to strike it down but his lawyers argued in court that the Old Age Pension program (Social Security) was a tax. FDR knew and he remarked that he knew Congress and the courts would never reverse it if it was a tax. But he kept saying in public that it was not a tax.
Also FDR had social healthcare in the works to be launched but it was shelved because it became clear that FDR was pushing his luck. The democrats waited 75 years to get their social healthcare forced on Americans. The lesson to be learned is that the progressives never give up and are constantly looking for an opportunity to move their agenda forward.
I’m fully aware that a convention of states is very unlikely to fix the problem. It is a big hurdle to overcome. However, every peaceful method must be tried.
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I disagree slightly ..... it's not that a homosexual refuses to be aware they are sinners. A declared and impenitent homosexual is a person who, through an act of the vermiculate will, has identified his person with a sin. I do agree that the homosexual demands the declaration of spiritual authority that there is nothing objectively disordered about this binding of man to sin, and assurance that this monstrous amalgam can indeed enter the kingdom of heaven. This can never happen among Christians until they abandon Christianity, which is at war with every sin.
The time for involvement of that sort was 40 years, past. And, at that- it was still almost too late. The functioning family has been under direct assault, since the early ‘60s. Where we are now, is underwater for a while and a piece.
Great! And, I’ll bet Cruz didn’t have to spend time to put together that critique of the SCOTUS. He has the ability to quickly formulate his thoughts and facts and then communicate them extemporaneously. ....This is a keeper, for me!
Mere words - that’s all these are, so don’t get too excited. Both of us know nothing is going to happen, even if he is president.
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