Posted on 06/27/2015 10:39:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
The Nazis disliked universities, intellectuals and the Catholic and Protestant churches. Their long term plan was to de-Christianise Germany after final victory in the war.[3][10] Their ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment, whose legitimacy did not spring from the government, and desired the subordination of the church to the state.[2] To many Nazis, Catholics were suspected of insufficient patriotism, or even of disloyalty to the Fatherland, and of serving the interests of "sinister alien forces".[11] Aggressive anti-Church radicals like Joseph Goebbels and Martin Bormann saw the conflict with the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-church and anti-clerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.[12] In the short term, and from political considerations, Hitler was prepared to restrain his anti-clericalism, seeing danger in strengthening the Church by persecution, but intended a show-down after the war:[13]
In the 1920s and 1930s, Catholic leaders made a number of forthright attacks on Nazi ideology and the main Christian opposition to Nazism had come from the Catholic Church.[14] German bishops were hostile to the emerging movement and energetically denounced its "false doctrines".[15] They warned Catholics against Nazi racism and some dioceses banned membership of the Nazi Party, while the Catholic press criticized the Nazi movement.[16] In his history of the German Resistance, Hamerow wrote:[17]
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Bernie Sanders?
Me too.
National Socialists/International Socialists: Two sides of the same ‘socialist’ coin.
Him and Hillary...one and the same to me.
>>National Socialists/International Socialists: Two sides of the same ‘socialist’ coin.
This is the David Irving pro-Nazi revisionist party line. Conservatives and royalists across the world voted en mass for the Nazis and supported their various 5th column aprats throughout the US and the Americas. The church had very little problem with the Nazis (until war broke out) because of the Nazi’s dedication to rooting out communism...godless communism. Vatican rat lines got a lot of high ranking Nazis to Latin American and Mid East safe houses.
The attempt to re-engineer history to imply that conservatives had no truck with Nazism is a weak headed attempt at trying to snake under the glaring and shameful historic fact that conservatives traditionally have had no problem with dictatorship or aristocracy (Wall St.). Look at all the tin horn right wing “strongman” fascist dictators we supported throughout the 3rd world during the Cold War simply because they were anti communist. Our answer to communism was not to help industrialize the 3rd World and create a conservative middle class. Rather, we typically resorted to supporting regimes that employed kangaroo courts, mafia-like supresion and death squads as a matter of course. Mouse click over to the Wikipedia entry on “The School of the Americas” if you think I’m blowing smoke up your butt.
We have a lot of history to answer for, and if we are taking a beating in the modern electronic cultural milieu where the facts of history are a mouse click away, then we better own up to our role in creating that beating and learn how not to become obsolete in an age of instant global communication. Learn or die.
You can't transform a third world nation overnight. Yes, unpleasant things happened but the cold war was a proxy war and when dealing with communist agitators, or popular front rebels, you don't send out your choirboys.
As a totalitarian ideology, the DemonRats claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers’ clubs and cultural societies.[1] DemonRat ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment, whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state.[2] The DemonRat leadership hoped to dechristianise The United States in the long term.[3] Aggressive anti-Church radicals like Propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler and Obama’s “deputy” Martin Bormann saw the kirchenkampf campaign against the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-church and anticlerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.[4][5] Obama himself also held radical instincts on the Church Question, but was prepared to restrain his anticlericalism out of political considerations, seeing dangers in strengthening the church through persecution.[6][7]
A threatening, if initially mainly sporadic persecution of the Church followed the DemonRat takeover. Obama moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism, and thousands were arrested. Despite continuing molestation of Catholic clergy, and organisations following the appointment of Obama as Chancellor by President von Hindenburg, the Vatican was anxious to reach a legal agreement with the new government, in order to protect the rights of the Church in The United States.[8] The resulting Reich concordat was violated almost immediately. The DemonRats moved to dissolve the Catholic youth leagues and clergy, nuns and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or “immorality”. Catholic aligned political parties in The United States, along with all other parties, were outlawed in 1933, and Catholic lay leaders were targeted in Obama’s 1934 Night of the Long Knives purge. By 1937, Pope Pius XI’s Mit brennender Sorge encyclical was accusing the regime of sowing “fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church”.
A threatening, if initially mainly sporadic persecution of the Church followed the DemonRat takeover. Obama moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism, and thousands were arrested. Despite continuing molestation of Catholic clergy, and organisations following the appointment of Obama as Chancellor by President von Hindenburg, the Vatican was anxious to reach a legal agreement with the new government, in order to protect the rights of the Church in The United States.[8] The resulting Reich concordat was violated almost immediately. The DemonRats moved to dissolve the Catholic youth leagues and clergy, nuns and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or “immorality”. Catholic aligned political parties in The United States, along with all other parties, were outlawed in 1933, and Catholic lay leaders were targeted in Obama’s 1934 Night of the Long Knives purge. By 1937, Pope Pius XI’s Mit brennender Sorge encyclical was accusing the regime of sowing “fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church”.
It quickly became clear that [Obama] intended to imprison the Catholics, as it were, in their own churches. They could celebrate mass and retain their rituals as much as they liked, but they could have nothing at all to do with American society otherwise. Catholic schools and newspapers were closed, and a propaganda campaign against the Catholics was launched.
What other things can you think of to impugn conservatives? What else are "we" doing wrong, in your estimation?
>>Two days ago you were saying that conservatives were “gay bashing” for opposing homosexual marriage. Now you are implying that conservatives are Nazis.
Yes, thanks, bring up my posting history on FR to see where I’m coming from. Bush Sr. made reference to a “kinder, gentler America” yet I feel that a lot of hard right conservatives took that as a wussy comment. Lookit, the imaging screen brings the world to our living room or workstation. The quantity of images of human suffering are almost overwhelming and repugnant. Conservatives tend to see that suffering as justifiable in Darwinian terms, which completely trashes the POTENTIAL of TECHNOLOGY to lessen that quantity of suffering. So the commies parlay that quantity of suffering into a demographic that has basically kicked our ass for the past 4 generations with almost zero effective fight back from us that isn’t neanderthal in concept. Our reflex is to crush rather than negotiate or educate or nation build, and that plays ugly on prime time TV.
I utterly detest the left’s hatred of technology and the power it confers upon humans over their destiny on this planet. And I utterly detest the right’s knee jerk tendency towards violence as a problem solver. I also detest the right’s almost total ignorance of the destructive influences of MONOPOLY capitalism, which is fascism. We give Wall St. & Co. a free ride at every turn and even a minimum amount of Googling will illustrate that these financier oligarchs are nothing more than the hated monarchy against which we fought our revolution
Monarchist = fascist = Nazi. It’s that freaking simple. The left has walked all over our face because we have characteristically supported right wing dictatorships simply because they were anti-communist without ever attempting to find a solution other than violent repression by fascist strongmen. This no longer plays well on the 6:00 news. We desperately need to repudiate the cancerous growth of global debt finance and begin a program of CREDIT FINANCE by investing in the MINDS of the citizen, which is the true value possessed by any society.
>>What other things can you think of to impugn conservatives? What else are “we” doing wrong, in your estimation?
Money is a tool; it’s exclusive accumulation on a SHORT TERM basis is sinful. Humans are going to be around a lot longer than the next quarterly report. The one’s that are disenfranchised by rapacious debt finance policies are going to be ripe for the plucking by Karl Marx & Co. Do me a favor and Google “Nestle’s infant formula scandal”.
Those sorts of GLOBALIST corporate policies should be fought against by conservatives, IF ONLY because they create revolution, let alone because they are ethically and morally reprehensible. We need to get smarter faster. This is the information age and the information that conservatives are generating are not sitting well among people capable of working a computer mouse.
Smarter. Faster.
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