What ‘Mormon Problem?’ More Would Vote for a Mormon Than an Evangelical Christian

Washington Post ^ | June 22 | Hunter Schwarz

[nickcarraway]

Being a Mormon in politics has never been easy. Since Gallup began tracking in 1968, about one in five voters say they wouldn't vote for a "generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be Mormon." But now, neither is being an evangelical Christian.

A Gallup poll released Monday found 81 percent of Americans said they would vote for a Mormon presidential candidate (little-changed from 80 percent in 2012), while only 73 percent said they would vote for an evangelical Christian presidential candidate. It follows an April Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll that found more people would be comfortable with a gay or lesbian president than an evangelical one.

These results are surprising -- both because of persistent questions about whether people would vote for Mitt Romney in 2008 and 2012 (remember the "Mormon Problem/Question"), and also if you follow public opinion of religious groups that show evangelicals more popular than Mormons.

A July 2014 Pew poll ranked religious groups according to how positively they were rated, by political affiliation. Evangelical Christians were the top-rated group for Republicans, while Mormons were the lowest-rated group for Democrats (they were each in the middle of the pack for Democrats and Republicans, respectability). So what happened?

[2ndDivisionVet]

So are they trying to re-introduce Huntsman or Milt?

[ansel12]

This strikes me as one of those polls that didn’t actually capture, or measure, anything real or substantive, or meaningful.

For example, I would love to see these respondents have the categories explained to them, and see what their reaction would be.

[a fool in paradise]

Ask them if they’d vote for a proud heterosexual.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Group forming Seattle's first Satanic Temple chapter

[Tennessee Nana]

I don’t know what an “Evangelical Christian” is suppose to be, but I do know what a Mormon is and what he believes..

and I know what a Christian believes..

and about elections...even Mormons in Utah cant get other Mormons to vote for them..it took Conservative Mia Love two tries when she ran for Congress..of course the fact that she is a woman and black probably had a lot to do with the hesitation to elect her..

The first try they chose the white liberal male Democrat over her, the Republican..

Meanwhile as a Christian, but this made up term “evangelical Christian” has go..its just used to pacify the so called “Mormon Christians”

and Mormons are not Christians..

Rightfully the proper term would be “Mormon Islamics”

Joey Smith was eager to be just another Mohammad, not a Jean Cauvin..

and so there are Mormons and there are Christians..

Lets keep the terms straight so there’s no more confusion..

[Berlin_Freeper]

The Church of Satan wants you to stop calling these ‘devil worshiping’ alleged murderers Satanists

Florida schools hand out Satanic colouring books to children

[Berlin_Freeper]

Coming soon...
Lots of people put down “Jedi” as their religion in the last census.

I am a Jedi

[Tennessee Nana]

MittyTwitty of course..

Being king of America for life is an obsession with the Romneys..

Willard thinks he got cheated out of his birthright ordained by the mormon gods..

so he could still file ..

what’s the cut off date for filing ??

The first GOP debate is August 6...

[erkelly]

How wonderful to read a post stating what I have been trying to tell people for a very long time. In the early to mid-1960s, Ensign magazine, the official magazine of the LDS, had a number of editorials on this subject of how similar LDS was to Islam, and the two religions should merge and become one. This magazine was quite beautiful, a very high quality publication with beautiful photography, many very well-written and interesting non-religious articles which is why I read the magazine (my mother was given a gift subscription.) Mormonism and Islam really are very similar theologically including, sadly, a bloody history. By the way Jehovah's Witnesses are also much more Islamic than Christian as well. I almost got through to an elderly JW neighbor recently by pointing out to her just how close Islam and JWs were theologically, and how far removed Christianity really is from both, it really gave her pause, but not enough to undo a lifetime of brainwashing.

[hosepipe]

UNLESS it’s all BULL Sperm.. after all it’s Gallup..
Disinformation Central..

[rrrod]

I dont see the point of this story....I certainly dont care what religion anyone is...except muslim scum of course.

[Elsie]

These results are surprising --

Not to ME!

I've seen the PR and downright PROPAGANDA at work over the last decade!

[Elsie]

So are they trying to re-introduce Huntsman or Milt?

I remember SOMETHING about those two...

...now where was that memo I received...?

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

 

I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.

 

As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.

 

Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even! So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.

 

Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.

 

I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.

 

I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.

When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.

 

As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.

Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”

 

As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tiny, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to tidy up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.

 

 

Tommy M.

 

PS Keep praying that Huntsman will add an “H” to his name. Jon looks so dang effeminate!

 

Onward to 2016!!!

[Elsie]

. In the early to mid-1960s, Ensign magazine, the official magazine of the LDS, had a number of editorials on this subject of how similar LDS was to Islam, and the two religions should merge and become one.

REALLY?

Sure that wasn't the ONION??

Guess not!

In particular, “Mormonism,” he writes, “excited my interest at an early age before all else because of the surprising analogy, extending even to the smallest details, between it and the fundamental drives, external forms, and historical development of Islam: here one might hope to discover significant clues for a proper understanding of Mohammed and his religion. … there is hardly another historical parallel as instructive as this one. … It is impossible to undertake the scholarly investigation of the one without a closer acquaintance with the other.”⁴

 

 

http://lds.org/ensign/1972/03/islam-and-mormonism-a-comparison?lang=eng

[Elsie]

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

• Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

• Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

• Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

• As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

• Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

• Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

• Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

• Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

[Elsie]

I dont see the point of this story....I certainly dont care what religion anyone is...except muslim scum of course.

Which is WHY you don't get the point.

[Elsie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Rockwell

[StormPrepper]

http://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help/

http://www.helpguide.org/articles/anxiety/obssessive-compulsive-disorder-ocd.htm

https://www.stalkingriskprofile.com/what-is-stalking/stalking-and-mental-illness

[rrrod]

not my business nor yours.