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To: knarf
“Do you have a better idea that might come to fruition before I die ?”

A “better idea” than what? Separation? If so, separation of what? If it's separation of people, what territory do they occupy? If it's separation of the states, on what basis? Separating on the basis of blue vs red won't work because when you look within the States there's too much purple. (I think that if there is the equivalent of another Civil War at won't be State against State, but neighborhood against neighborhood.)

I've come to think there has been an organized or unorganized impetus for the dissolution of the United States since at least the 1860’s. Separation means a big win for those who've pushed for that I believe those people, with the exception of some of their mistaken fellow travelers and useful idiots, are not on the side of liberty.

And if they do get that big win, they will consolidate within whatever area they control, then come after the rest of us. Their efforts will not end. It will be a continuation of “nothing good happen(ing)...very slowly” from our point of view. They will seek to defeat us in detail.

That brings us to “come to fruition before I die”. You're pretty much correct: “...we've seen nothing good happen in America and it happened very slowly”. Our adversaries take the long view. (As I wrote, I've come to think there has been an impetus for the dissolution of the United States since at least the 1860’s.)

Many on our side do not seem to take the long view. They want what they want now, rather than taking what they can get and then going after more when they can. Yes, I know: “Incrementalism”. And it has a bad name. But it's how our adversaries got to where they are now.

So, I don't know that I have any ideas that might come to fruition before you die.

But seeds may be planted.

One such is to eliminate the idea of “quitting” by whatever name. Certainly one may need to take a break from the fray, but the fight as a whole must go on and others should not be discouraged from continuing it. (Seems to work for the other side.)

So, what are some things we should not quit?

One is the United States.

Another is “The Government”, whatever you mean by that term. (There is no “The Government”. There are the Federal Government, State Governments, County Governments, City Governments, Township Governments and I don't know what all else. Certainly they interconnect at some points, but not to the point that they are “The Government”.

Some define “The Government” in terms of the people doing the governing. I think of the government as a structure, with people occupying positions within it, said people being replaceable without tossing the whole government structure. A problem is that our adversaries work to place people within government in order to use government as a tool in pursuit of their ends. Conservatives tend to equate government with evil, rather than as a tool (”a”, not the only) to be used in pursuit of Conservative ends.

We need to take back government, and how do they do that? It takes the long view to do so, because the start is at the bottom. I recently read a city government official said that it doesn't matter what party is in charge of city government because they are too concerned with filling pot holes, snow removal, garbage collection, etc to be concerned with party issues. But it does matter because that's where they get their start and work their way up.

Part of me wants to write more, but I'm done...for now.

11 posted on 06/30/2015 12:17:05 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the and breadth of "ignorance. individual be those who don't.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Read “Civil War 3”; It predicts that various groups will
settle in geographic regions such as the South, West, etc.


12 posted on 06/30/2015 2:59:01 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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