Waco Biker Challenges Judge's Gag Order in Criminal Case

5nbcdfw ^ | July 1, 2015 | Emily Scmall and Jim Vertuno

[JJ_Folderol]

>>> After all, the high velocity small bore rounds used by the LEOS make very different wounds than bullets fired from the pistols carried by some of the bikers. <<<

Exactly. Defence handgun loads are usually hollow-points intended to expand and do as much damage as possible by shredding internal organs. Jacketed rifle rounds are designed to penetrate and exit causing a slower bleedout due to reduced organ damage.

[don-o]

You need to repeat that a few dozen times to get people to understand the real argument here.

I assure you it HAS been repeated. We have a tiny little claque on these threads who simply do not care about the real argument.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

They came for the bikers, but I didn’t care since they were scumbag, mafia-bullies, and drug addicted freaks....

Then...they came for me.....

[sport]

Actually, It is the Constitutional process and that thing called Due Process of Law, that thing that goes back to Roman Law and The Law of Moses. That is what has, or used to have a strong following on this forum. Unfortunately, it is not as strong as it once was, because, those who worship those in authority have infiltrated its ranks.

If the police had been justified in their actions, the video that they themselves shot of the incident would have been made available to every media outlet in the region within 24 hours. And the autopsy reports within a week[7 days]. Nor would everyone within the area have been arrested on trumped up charges.

That is my bone of contention. Others have similar points of contention.

[mac_truck]

Wearing gang patches in public is more than a simple clothing choice...if it were the Bandidos & Cossacks wouldn't have gotten into a shooting war over who had the right to wear the Texas patch on their back.

There is also the fact that not all the bikers present at Twin Peaks on May 17th were arrested, including members of a number of well known motorcycle clubs.

So your premise that there was an abuse of law based on choice of clothing is patently false, something which has been pointed out to you multiple times.

[JJ_Folderol]

>>> So your premise that there was an abuse of law based on choice of clothing is patently false, something which has been pointed out to you multiple times. <<<

And you still seem to be incapable of comprehending that a “Fat Mexican” t-shirt is not the same as a back patch and does not indicate ‘gang membership”.

If they had only arrested those with back patches, I wouldn’t have as much difficulty with law enforcement’s mass arrest: I would be able to see at least a clear indication of ‘gang’ membership.

[vortec94]

I thought the BATFE was there. I could be wrong.

[don-o]

In addition to local and state police, the federal Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) was also on the scene, according to its official twitter account.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/05/bikers_shooting_in_wacos_twin.html

[don-o]

So, yes, BATF was there. What we do not know is how they were deployed and what they did. WE do know (per Chief Brent Stroman) that Waco PD were sitting in their vehicles when the first shots were fired. He also stated that HIS men fired 12 rounds.

I have seen no comment from BATF regarding their positioning or engagement.

[don-o]

BREAKING: ATF on the scene of rival gang #WacoShooting— ATF HQ (@ATFHQ) May 17, 2015

The timestamp on the Tweet is 7:14 pm. So this does not prove that they were there at the time of the altercation. It's one of many unknowns

[Rebelbase]

” legal incest”

Many lawyers and Judges are as incestuously corrupt as lobbyists and politicians. They are more like cheap sluts when compromising judicial integrity for only $1000 contributions every few years.

Lobbyists and politicians are high priced call girls.

[sport]

That is what I heard also. And it would not surprise me if the FBI wasn’t there also. I can’t picture the FBI missing a chance to kill someone or maybe getting to burn some children alive.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

scumbag organized crime supporting biker trash deserves no rights.

They deserve about as much sympathy as islamic terrorists and the imams who groom them, Bloods and Crips members, Aryan Brotherhood nutcases, bomb-planting Hells Angels, and your typical run-of-the-mill neck-tattooed lunatic mexican mafia types.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

We are “following” the Constitution

Nah, you're a bunch of nutriders who are whining to the ends of the internet because your leather-clad hairy idols are being bullied in jail and they are getting arse rashes from sitting around too long.

[Finny]

Well ... I've kept count, and in real numbers among FReepers who've commented one way or another (not neutral), for every ONE FReeper who believes that all bikers are "trash" and the cops just took out the garbage on 177 people, there are more than TWO who think the cops were way out of line and trying to cover their asses at the expense of law-abiding motorcycle enthusiasts -- to wit, all-American BIKERS, of which there are millions across our great fruited plain.

The consensus supports the "biker trash" -- 164 individuals on FR that I've identified, versus 77 identified who support the cops.

FReepers are on balance smarter than average.

[Finny]

There are something like 5 posters that post as fast as they can to support the way “justice” is being served in Waco. Imo - a vocal minority, not a consensus.

Actually and happily, not just in your opinion, but in point of FACT according to crunched numbers that anyone can duplicate by going through dozens of threads and keeping a list, as I have done -- the ratio is about 2.13 to 1 against the dupes who believe the "biker trash" narrative. We are more than twice their size in real numbers, as opposed to number of posts.

I do it on issues of importance because I want to know the real picture here on FR rather than a false one presented by a minority that posts five times more than the majority. And that is what has happened here -- a minority has exaggerated its presence to present a false picture of the consensus.

[Triple]

I saw the stats posted on one of these threads.

Money can buy many things, but it can’t change the truth.

[Finny]

Conservatives are getting duped and manipulated by the smarter leftists who promote hatred and division as a cover for a deeper agenda.

Well said.

And my list is now 165 to 77. :^)

[zeugma]

FR consensus view : scumbag organized crime supporting biker trash deserves no rights.

The jackboot lickers are actually a very small minority. They are just loud and repetitive. Makes it seem like they are more numerous than they are.

[don-o]