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Of Malice, Charity And The Confederate Battle Flag
American Thinker ^ | July 4, 2015 | Peter Nichols

Posted on 07/04/2015 5:58:43 PM PDT by Kaslin

We used to think that the 19th Century had seen out the enmity of the Civil War. There had been a “farewell to the bloody shirt” associated with the end of Reconstruction. This, it must be added, entailed the abandonment of the freed slaves to an impaired citizenship, and the problem of race would persist at least through the civil rights movement of the 20th Century. But animosity over the act of secession itself and the war that followed surely had dissipated even before the Gettysburg semi-centennial of 1913, when the aging veterans of both sides met on the battlefield and embraced. In Profiles in Courage, President Kennedy recounts how the reconciliation was ushered in by such figures as Mississippi’s Lucius Lamar, who eulogized abolitionist and radical Republican Charles Sumner in the 1870s, pleading that North and South “lay aside the concealments which serve only to perpetuate misunderstanding and distrust, and frankly confess that on both sides we most earnestly desire to be one.”

What accounts for the recent outpouring of vitriol against the Confederacy, of scorn for the sacrifice of its manhood, for the flag its soldiers carried into battle in their misguided cause, and for the South itself? Why should the wound closed more than a century ago now be recklessly torn open? The demand that the flag be taken down has proven only the beginning: the Left now shrieks that no Confederate symbol may be sold in the stores, that roads not be named after Confederate generals, that all monuments to same (including Robert E. Lee) be expunged. Those who lived through the conflict and waived the bloody shirt after Appomattox showed no greater recrimination. Is this really about the murder of seven people in a church by a racist misfit photographed with a flag?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: dixie

1 posted on 07/04/2015 5:58:43 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’m in the south now, after escaping mexifornia.

The banning the symbol of the south, on top of the recent SC rulings, could very well be the catalyst that gets the south to rise again.

CWII isn’t far away.


2 posted on 07/04/2015 6:04:40 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: Kaslin

The Marxists will never give up on a situation they think they can parlay into another advantage. They have been doing this stuff for over 100 years now and are quite adept at it.


3 posted on 07/04/2015 6:13:29 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Hardens Hollow

I looked online for Confederate battle flags for sale... Bing showed AmericanFlags.com - they have a message next to the Confederate Flag saying

“Please be advised that due to unprecedented demand for our confederate flags, shipping may take several weeks. We do, however, have them in stock and orders will be shipped in the order they are received, so reserve your confederate flag today!”

Gotta love free enterprise IN AMERICA!


4 posted on 07/04/2015 6:16:02 PM PDT by RebelTXRose (Our Lady of Fatima, Pray for us! PRAY THE ROSARY!)
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To: Don Corleone

I have said I would never own or fly the Stars and Bars as long as one who shared my name is buried at Gettysburg. If that banner can once again make the blood of Fascists boil I may furl one In Resistance to Tyranny. As a neighbor of mine said long ago in a nearby church. If this be Treason make the most of it!


5 posted on 07/04/2015 6:20:06 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Kaslin
The ultimate target is Southern exceptionalism, as liberal Michael Lind wrote in a recent piece in Politico:
White Southern political culture has shown remarkable continuity, despite the half-century flight of Southern conservatives from the Democratic to the Republican Party. It is true, as some historians and pundits point out, that the Republican Party’s post-World War II resurgence in the South owed a lot to its appeal to suburbanites and business elites. But that is ancient history. More recently, the country-club Republican supporters of Barry Goldwater and John Connally have been swamped in Southern Republican parties by a wave of working-class white Southerners who are heirs to paranoid and sullen Dixiecrat conservatism, not sunny and optimistic Goldwater-Reagan conservatism. Indeed, on issues from gay marriage to immigration to public investment in infrastructure, the business community and the GOP’s white Southern base are increasingly at odds.

All of this leaves little doubt that, in the absence of Southern exceptionalism, the U.S. would be much more similar to other English-speaking democracies, which don’t subject their leaders to religious tests, don’t suffer from high levels of gun violence and don’t rival communist China and despotic Saudi Arabia in the number of executions per capita. Without the gravitational force exerted on the South, American conservatism itself would be radically different—more Bob Dole than Ted Cruz (emphasis added).

The northern progressives who joke about the U.S. jettisoning “Jesusland” and merging with Canada will not get their wish. But there is hope: A combination of demographic change and generational change is weakening the ability of the old-fashioned South to skew American politics and culture in the future. Peripheral Southern states like Florida and Virginia are increasingly competitive, and the Deep South may join them in time. In Texas once-reactionary cities like Houston and Dallas are competing with Austin as tolerant meccas for transplants who prefer the Sun Belt to the Old South. Immigration into the South from other countries and American regions is breaking down local oligarchies and old folkways.

The decline in Southern exceptionalism in time may lead to more of a convergence among the U.S. and other modern democracies (emphasis added). Let us hope so. We have had enough of the wrong kind of American exceptionalism.

For a discussion of the Lind piece on FR, surf over here.
6 posted on 07/04/2015 7:01:54 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Kaslin

The wound was never closed.


7 posted on 07/04/2015 7:05:58 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: wastoute

In 2011, there were still 23 daughters of Confederate soldiers who were living. In 2014 there were yet living sons of Civil War soldiers.

So, there are many more grandchildren.

The late in life fathering of a long lived child would split the difference at 75 years...not unheard of.

Grandchildren would split the years to an even smaller number... a bit less than 50.

So, a soldier fathers a child at 50 (1890ish), who fathers a child at fifty (1940ish) who is now 70ish. Not far fetched at all, is it?


8 posted on 07/04/2015 7:11:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: Kaslin

What this writer, and others forget or studiously avoid, is the that the battles of the Civil War, were physically fought in the South.

The effects of “war”, in destructive civilian massacres, rapes, and property confiscations, were entirely endured by Southerners.

The Union Yankee’s used indentured servants, savage native tribes, and foreign mercenaries as their warring soldier forces in the Civil War.
They supposedly “won” the horrific war, but have never been able to claim any moral victory.
Because they had no real moral “human equality” goals, just corrupt political power/financial ones.

This may come as a complete shock to everyone under 60 years old, but there exists no race on earth who have not been owners of slaves, or enslaved by others who warred against them, throughout human history.

Southern White USA Christian males did not “invent” slavery.

Yankee White USA Agnostics did not end it.


9 posted on 07/04/2015 7:22:18 PM PDT by sarasmom ( I did not sacrifice the most productive years of my life to make it easy for idiots to live.)
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To: Kaslin

“What accounts for the recent outpouring of vitriol against the Confederacy, of scorn for the sacrifice of its manhood, for the flag its soldiers carried into battle...”

The predictions of the civil rights revolution, which predictions were its justification, have not come true. The conditions of the descendants of the slaves worsen steadily. The widely accepted explanation (white racism) is absurd. The cognitive dissonance is fierce.

What you observe is the result.


10 posted on 07/04/2015 7:23:52 PM PDT by Jim Noble (If you can't discriminate, you are not free)
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To: Kaslin

The slaves aren’t free. They now live on the Democrat plantation.


11 posted on 07/04/2015 7:35:25 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: xzins
Not far fetched at all, is it?

Back in the 1990's, IIRC, I read the obituary of a professional pilot named Spencer who died at the age of 93. He flew in the Army Air Corps in WWII, then for the airlines until forced to retire, then flew private aircraft and ultralights up into his 80's. His pilot's license was #21, I believe, and was personally signed by Orville Wright.

Spencer was a "late in life" child, born to of Percival H Spencer, the inventor of the Spencer Repeating Rifle, when his father was 65 years old. The elder Mr. Spencer had personally demonstrated his new invention to President Lincoln when he (Spencer) was in his 20's.

12 posted on 07/04/2015 7:49:19 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Well, it appears my memory is a bit garbled. Here’s the full story.

http://www.seabee.info/spencer.htm

(excerpt) “Percival Hopkins Spencer was the third child of then 63 year old inventor genius Christopher Miner Spencer. Percival always hated his name and preferred to be called “Spence”.

Christopher Miner Spencer (1833 - 1922) invented one of the earliest successful repeating rifles in 1860, the automatic screw machine (that produced screws in one operation) in 1873 and the repeating shotgun in 1886.

He had a shooting match with President Lincoln when he demonstrated the rifle to the President because Secretary of War, Stanton, refused to talk to a “crackpot inventor”. In response to quizzical expressions as Spence related the incident, he said, “Yes, it was my father, not grandfather.” He then informed the audience that his father was 63 years old when he was born. The Spencer Repeating Rifle is credited as having shortened the Civil War and for deciding the battle of Gettysburg. “


13 posted on 07/04/2015 7:55:54 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (.)
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To: Kaslin

Did anyone else notice when the left/media/democrats, turned against “big” Tobacco?

It was about the time that their dollars had started going to republican politicians.


14 posted on 07/04/2015 7:56:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.)
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To: RebelTXRose

I’m happy to hear that not only is the flag available, but is in high demand.

It’s not called the rebel yell for nothing!

I’ll have to order one.


15 posted on 07/05/2015 5:08:39 AM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: Kaslin

Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.


16 posted on 07/05/2015 7:21:50 AM PDT by LastDayz (Few men desire liberty, most men wish only for a just master. Sallust)
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