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Fears for police safety after data shows Melbourne gun crime on the rise
9News.com.au ^ | 07/07/2015 | ninemsm

Posted on 07/07/2015 7:58:11 PM PDT by aimhigh

There are fears Melbourne's gun crime could be spiralling out of control with police data showing a 300 percent rise in firearm offences in the past five years.

Mr Iddles said the streets were more dangerous than he had ever seen.

"The homicide rate's not up but if you have ice and you have the threat of terrorism, it's more dangerous now on the street as a police officer (than) in all my time of 37 years," he said.

Data shows police find an illegal firearm in Victoria every 48 hours.

Mr Iddles said Melbourne's northwest suburbs were a particular hotspot, with a 300 percent rise in firearm discoveries and offences in the past five years.

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunban
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To: naturalman1975

Tell me, is the rise in crimes with guns related it immigration (legal and illegal)?


21 posted on 07/07/2015 8:37:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
From what I have read you have to show “good cause” or “special need” to purchase a gun.

"I want to go duck shooting." "OK."

That's all that means. It gives police the power to ask questions in cases where they have suspicions about a person. But, in practice, it's not invoked in very many cases, unless there's some reason for suspicion.

Is that good? No, I'd prefer we didn't even these type of restrictions. But it really isn't onerous.

Hand gun licences, or licences for semi-automatic weapons do tend to get more questions asked. So if you talk about those, I'd agree it's at least bordering on difficult - but even then, it's not that bad. Harder than it should be. Yes. But that's not quite the same thing.

Want a fully automatic weapon, or a large calibre handgun - that is hard.

22 posted on 07/07/2015 8:41:45 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Tell me, is the rise in crimes with guns related it immigration (legal and illegal)?

I honestly don't know, but I'd be surprised if it is that significant.

It's hard to immigrate to Australia and we don't have a major illegal immigrant problem - it's a lot easier to secure borders surrounded by hundreds of miles of ocean than it is a long land border. We do have some crimes that seem to specifically involve some refugee groups but most of that seems to be knife crime rather than gun crime from what I've seen.

Gun crime really does seem to involve people who have been here a lot longer.

23 posted on 07/07/2015 8:44:53 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Yes, I was, thanks.


24 posted on 07/07/2015 8:46:11 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: naturalman1975

Here in the US nearly half of all violent crimes are committed by blacks. Mostly against other blacks. Illegal immigrants commit far more than their share of crimes, too.


25 posted on 07/07/2015 8:50:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!!)
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To: aimhigh
"Fears for police safety after data shows Melbourne gun crime on the rise"

Do criminals in Melbourne attack only cops? Or is the safety of non-cops unimportant?

26 posted on 07/07/2015 9:04:35 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (A slave is one who waits for someone to come and free him.)
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To: naturalman1975
I can buy almost anything at the drop of a hat in Idaho. The CCW permit removes the need for the instant background check. The only thing that really requires "work" is getting suppressors, short barreled rifles and select fire (full auto/burst). That takes applications, a signoff by the local sheriff and a $200 "tax" stamp from BATFE. Often it means waiting months for BATFE. After you have that "permission", you can actually purchase and possess the item. A supressor goes for about $900 for 300 Blackout. The rifle is about $400 for a bolt action. Another $200 for the scope. The hard to get stuff is also pretty expensive. A rickety old pre-1986 full auto machine gun was drawing $14,000 at a local gun show. Absent the restrictions, I doubt anyone would pay $500 for that old piece of junk.

After all that effort, the mere possession of one of the controlled devices exposes you to surprise inspections. No thanks. I'll keep shooting the supersonic stuff.

27 posted on 07/07/2015 9:21:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
After all that effort, the mere possession of one of the controlled devices exposes you to surprise inspections.

This is not correct.

28 posted on 07/07/2015 9:27:10 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
ATF NFA Inspection

The article soft peddles it. I may yet pursue some of those items. A suppressed bolt action 300 BLK would be decent for the mule deer in my area. The cartridge is attractive since you can make the brass from .223 brass and use the same stock of bullets that work for 30-30, .308 and 30-06. Common primers with the .223 and common powder with the 44mag.

29 posted on 07/07/2015 10:07:56 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Suppressed 300 BLK on AR15

The 300 BLK suppressed is quiet enough to shoot without "ears".

30 posted on 07/07/2015 10:25:11 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: UnwashedPeasant
Do criminals in Melbourne attack only cops? Or is the safety of non-cops unimportant?

No, but it should be understood that this article has been written and the comments made in the context of a police officer being shot yesterday. It is very rare for a police officer to be shot here. Fortunately, despite being shot in the head, he seems in pretty good shape.

It's quite rare for anybody to be shot, actually. But police, it is really rare. I think it's about ten years since the last time it happened in this state.

31 posted on 07/08/2015 12:16:34 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: aimhigh

Hmn. But Melbourne is a very diverse city and has plenty of illegal immigrants of many cultures.


32 posted on 07/08/2015 4:17:03 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: aimhigh
Data shows police find an illegal firearm in Victoria every 48 hours.

Mr Iddles said Melbourne's northwest suburbs were a particular hotspot, with a 300 percent rise in firearm discoveries and offences in the past five years.

I'd be willing to bet that these "illegal firearm discoveries" are taking place amongst the honest citizens, and not the criminal class. This is an ongoing process to disarm the people, so as to make them easier marks for their criminal and political overloards.

33 posted on 07/08/2015 6:21:48 AM PDT by zeugma (The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun)
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I'd be willing to bet that these "illegal firearm discoveries" are taking place amongst the honest citizens, and not the criminal class.

And you'd be wrong.

Honest citizens have gun licences. They are not hard to get. Whether we should have to get them or not is another question, entirely, but we can and we do.

An illegal firearm is nearly always a firearm in the hands of a criminal, and the fact that there are so many is proof that the laws don't accomplish much really in stopping criminals from having guns.

34 posted on 07/08/2015 3:35:51 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Honest citizens have gun licences. They are not hard to get. Whether we should have to get them or not is another question, entirely, but we can and we do.

Perhaps, but many Americans might give the same response as you in such cases, and I can yell you that unless they were threatening or otherwise misusing the weapon, I'd never vote to convict for it if I were on a jury, the "law" be damned.

35 posted on 07/08/2015 6:16:29 PM PDT by zeugma (The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun)
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