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1 posted on 07/09/2015 7:46:17 AM PDT by xzins
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This penalty is so obviously an 8th amendment violation that levies an excessive fine of $135,000 over a wedding cake. In that is against them because they are Christian, it also violates the “cruel and unusual punishments” section of the 8th amendment, also.

And before that, it’s a violation of their first amendment religion and speech rights.

This, my fellow freepers, is pure religious persecution.


2 posted on 07/09/2015 7:46:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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Don’t pay! Don’t do it.

Simply refuse.

Is there a way we can help them refuse?


3 posted on 07/09/2015 7:47:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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The bakers should just come out as devout Muslims. They would then be off the hook.


4 posted on 07/09/2015 7:47:40 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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I’d bake them a cake.
But I’d ‘forget’ some ingredients.....................like sugar....................


6 posted on 07/09/2015 7:48:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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totalitarianism


7 posted on 07/09/2015 7:49:01 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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Fascism on steroids.


9 posted on 07/09/2015 7:49:53 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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the LGBTQIA movement

Five letters isn't enough anymore? I give up.

14 posted on 07/09/2015 7:51:09 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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I sure hope they’re lawyered up but good! I would fight this to the bitter end, were it me. And it could be any of us!

You never know what fresh new hell the LibTards in this town will think up!

Go Fund Me yanked their account, but it did hit $109,000.00! People obviously care.


15 posted on 07/09/2015 7:52:23 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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I hope the Klein's are able to file and win a counter suit against the despicable tiny dictator Avakian.

Avakian should do a lot of jail time for violating the Klein's Constitutional Rights!

I bet Avakian’s heroes are the pigs in Animal Farm.

16 posted on 07/09/2015 7:52:49 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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Avakian is one of the most radical leftists in the state.


18 posted on 07/09/2015 7:52:56 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the WH)
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Don’t pay the fine!

They also need to state that AVAKARIAN TOOK CAMPAIGN MONEY FROM A PRO-GAY POLITICAL GROUP.

Conflict of interest and using the color of office to intimidate and promote an ideology.


20 posted on 07/09/2015 7:53:24 AM PDT by struggle
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The larger Christian community needs to figure out how to push back against Brad Avakian in a meaningful and personal way along with the larger pagan left. So far it is just endless free shots against believers and fighting through the biased administrative and legal system is playing the enemy’s game.


23 posted on 07/09/2015 7:55:41 AM PDT by Truth29
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The larger Christian community needs to figure out how to push back against Brad Avakian in a meaningful and personal way along with the larger pagan left. So far it is just endless free shots against believers and fighting through the biased administrative and legal system is playing the enemy’s game.


24 posted on 07/09/2015 7:55:41 AM PDT by Truth29
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Last week, I searched around in Oregon's discrimination laws, and found only one instance were a fine was defined with respect to discrimination (other than employment/housing, which were different). IIRC, it was limited to $1,000 per occurrence.

Punitive damages were not defined, and thus appear to be arbitrary.

659A.855 Civil penalty for certain complaints filed by commissioner.
(1)(a) If the Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries files a complaint under ORS 659A.825 alleging an unlawful practice other than an unlawful employment practice, and the commissioner finds that the respondent engaged in the unlawful practice, the commissioner may, in addition to other steps taken to eliminate the unlawful practice, impose a civil penalty upon each respondent found to have committed the unlawful practice.
(b) Civil penalties under this subsection may not exceed $1,000 for each violation.
(2)(a) Notwithstanding subsection (1)(b) of this section, if a complaint is filed under ORS 659A.820 or 659A.825 alleging an unlawful practice under ORS 659A.145 or 659A.421 or discrimination under federal housing law and the commissioner finds that a respondent has engaged in an unlawful practice under ORS 659A.145 or 659A.421 or discrimination under federal housing law, the commissioner may assess against the respondent, in addition to any other relief available, a civil penalty:
(A) In an amount not exceeding $11,000;
(B) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection, in an amount not exceeding $27,500 if the respondent has been adjudged to have engaged in one other discriminatory housing practice during the five-year period ending on the date of the filing of the formal charges leading to the hearing; or
(C) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection, in an amount not exceeding $55,000 if the respondent has been adjudged to have engaged in two or more discriminatory housing practices during the seven-year period ending on the date of the filing of the formal charges leading to the hearing.
(b) If acts constituting the discriminatory housing practice that is the object of the hearing were committed by the same individual who has been previously adjudged to have committed acts constituting a discriminatory housing practice, the civil penalties listed in paragraph (a)(B) and (C) of this subsection may be imposed regardless of the period of time between the previous discriminatory housing practice and the discriminatory housing practice that is the object of this hearing.
(3) All sums collected as civil penalties under this section must first be applied toward reimbursement of the costs incurred in determining the violations, conducting hearings and assessing and collecting the penalty. The remainder, if any, shall be paid over by the commissioner to the Department of State Lands for the benefit of the Common School Fund. The department shall issue a receipt for the money to the commissioner. [2001 c.621 §9; 2007 c.903 §11; 2011 c.210 §5]

26 posted on 07/09/2015 7:56:35 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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Are they allowed to “TALK” about their persecution?

Have they filed a megacountersuit against the “judge”,
as an official and as a discriminatory antiConstitutional
individual, along with the women that started this
nonsense?


29 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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Do not give the homosexuals anything. Not one penny. Don’t retreat one inch. If the slime judge puts a lien on the property then make him enforce it. Any cop that comes to arrest the Kliens should be met with force. Pull a Bundy Ranch on them. Take it to the next level.


31 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:31 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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If I were a baker in this situation I would make one gay wedding cake. I would then count on the gay community to spread the word about the quality of my gay wedding cakes. And, I would just have to accept that my gay wedding cake sales might plummet.


32 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:34 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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The governor of Oregon is a lawyer and the first openly bisexual governor.

I’m sure she’d like to hear what you think about this: 503-378-4582


33 posted on 07/09/2015 8:01:39 AM PDT by ladyjane
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The problem is the Fascists face no consequences.

There is no recourse for those objecting to their lawless agenda.

Time to change that.....


35 posted on 07/09/2015 8:02:20 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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America is too far into communism to be able to stand up to Government. Wake up America!


36 posted on 07/09/2015 8:02:33 AM PDT by Logical me
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