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Trump’s ‘facts’ on Mexicans and crime are just wrong (Linda Chavez on NY Post Just Now)
The NY Post.com ^ | 7/10/2015 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 07/10/2015 6:51:38 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ

..But what about Trump’s contention that Mexico is sending us criminals and rapists? In fact, the very opposite is true. Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, like all immigrants, have lower rates of criminal behavior than the native born...

...As for incarceration rates, immigrant men ages 18 to 39 are less than half as likely to be incarcerated than native-born men the same age, according to the Ewing study.

Mexican men are even less likely to be incarcerated: Their rates are one-third that of natives with similar demographic characteristics.

And Salvadoran and Guatemalan men are incarcerated at one-fifth the rate of native-born men without a high school degree — the group most likely to commit violent crimes....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chavez; immigration; mexicans; trump
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
It is about as current as you can get. Steve King pushed for this study. Coincidentally, King and Pete Sessions have asked for an update today.

U.S. Reps. Steve King (R-IA 4) and Pete Sessions (R-TX) released the following statement Thursday regarding their recent letter to the Government Accountability Office (GAO) requesting an update to King’s 2005 and 2011 studies on crimes committed by criminal aliens.

61 posted on 07/10/2015 7:58:42 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Chavez has contracted a terminal case of the dreaded “Geraldo Rivera” disease.

Those infected with this disease lose any ability to make sound, fact based judgements when the issue of illegal immigration arises.


62 posted on 07/10/2015 8:05:09 PM PDT by Iron Munro (We may be paranoid but that doesn't mean they aren't really after us)
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To: ncalburt

What is your malfunction, maggot?

I posted it in the other thread because I saw that first, then I realized I would get more immediate assistance posting my own thread.

Do me a favor, read my hundreds of posts over the last 1.3 decades, especially in 2004 and then get back to me on your absurd accusations.

Feel free to go over to Americanthinker.com and read the posting history of “ReadandAble” too.

Spare “us?” No, I think not. You are a lone person in your ignorance concerning my views and motives.

But what you have shown is that you are clearly too dimwitted to have any valuable discussion with on Freerepublic or anywhere else.


63 posted on 07/10/2015 8:13:02 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: ncalburt

Sorry, that would be “ReadyandAble” over at AT.


64 posted on 07/10/2015 8:14:03 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: Iron Munro

I honestly wasn’t even familiar with this Chavez woman before the bs NR content I saw on here the other day.

I’m not sure what this other guy ncalburt’s problem is (or where his brain went) but I just wanted some good backing to refute her stats, which I got in spades here.

Sheesh, with all the trolls I have to put up with on a daily basis I am pretty damn hot and offended that he would interpret my posts and requests as anything even remotely close to trolling or not supporting Trump’s statements. Which I do.

Gah!


65 posted on 07/10/2015 8:18:11 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
Mexican men are even less likely to be incarcerated:...

mo sh$t sherlock. we don't incarcerate them
66 posted on 07/10/2015 8:19:47 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama = Fredo Smart)
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To: Ultima

When I looked at that, I saw mostly white females...especially that white male who hangs with the Mexican Mafia

Don’t they know “you are what you fee like you are”?

Texans are so behind the times


67 posted on 07/10/2015 8:20:04 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Do they even do that? Seems like even after murders they stick around after they get let out of their prison term.

Despicable.


68 posted on 07/10/2015 8:20:24 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
..But what about Trump’s contention that Mexico is sending us criminals and rapists? In fact, the very opposite is true. Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, like all immigrants, have lower rates of criminal behavior than the native born...

...As for incarceration rates, immigrant men ages 18 to 39 are less than half as likely to be incarcerated than native-born men the same age, according to the Ewing study.

Mexican men are even less likely to be incarcerated: Their rates are one-third that of natives with similar demographic characteristics.

And Salvadoran and Guatemalan men are incarcerated at one-fifth the rate of native-born men without a high school degree — the group most likely to commit violent crimes....


Uh, Mrs. Chavez...in case you're wondering what is wrong with the poor argument you have offered, I'll clue you in: The vast majority of the crimes are being committed by illegal aliens who ARE NOT incarcerated.

Consequently, the incarceration rates of Mexicans, Salvadorans and Nicaraguans is of absolutely no moment whatsoever in this discussion.

Any time you need clarification on fine logical points such as these, please feel free to call upon Milton Miteybad.
69 posted on 07/10/2015 8:37:32 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Milton Miteybad

Thank you, Milton. I will remember that.

Have a great weekend. I appreciate it.


70 posted on 07/10/2015 8:39:03 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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The entire point of what Chavez is saying is idiotic. Her Premise stinks to high Heaven and she hasn’t a Clue.

If the Illegal Invaders were not here in the first place, Lives would have been saved, Prisons would be less crowded and the Taxpayers of this Country would be saving Billions of Dollars in Giveaways.

Is this Rocket Science? Comparing Crimes committed by Legal Americans versus the Illegal Invaders is like comparing Apples and Oranges. There is no correlation, the Illegal Invaders aren’t even supposed to be here, period.

Any resource taken away from Law Enforcement to go after Illegals Invaders could have been used to prevent crimes committed by Obama’s Fantasy Sons, I mean Americans.


71 posted on 07/10/2015 8:43:14 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (I know I left my Tagline around here somewhere...)
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To: smartyaz

Great post


72 posted on 07/10/2015 8:45:03 PM PDT by bigtoona (tr)
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To: Kirkwood

I agree. One they have broke the law crossing the Mexican border illegally, their lawlessness does not stop. I wonder if any of our fine Freepers have and hard data on what their level of criminal activity is. I heard Ann Coulter say that she had a hard time finding the figures. I wonder if anyone has run across any good numbers.


73 posted on 07/10/2015 8:54:29 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental disorder: A totalitarian mindset..)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

By virtue of being in the country ILLEGALLY, by definition, 100% have committed a crime. And incarceration rates in federal prisons paints a much different picture.


74 posted on 07/10/2015 9:31:47 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Ultima

Those naughty white people.


75 posted on 07/10/2015 10:38:24 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Oh, missed that—ha!


76 posted on 07/11/2015 1:44:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
..But what about Trump’s contention that Mexico is sending us criminals and rapists? In fact, the very opposite is true. Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, like all immigrants, have lower rates of criminal behavior than the native born...

You do not have to read many words before you get to an unsupported assertion. Mexico indeed is sending us criminals and rapists! That fact is unarguable! What psycho-babble is this lady trying to tell us?

Mexico does NOT have open borders. But does Mexico even know who is who among those crossing into the USA? Why would Mexico, or any country for that matter, not want to get rid of its criminals? What is the role of the drug cartels at the border?

77 posted on 07/11/2015 3:48:16 AM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Right off the bat Chavez sweeps away the illegal status of those under discussion, which leads one to question all of the statistics mentioned.

Chavez has been a closet member of La Raza for a long time.


78 posted on 07/11/2015 3:53:56 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who 4refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Every one that crosses the border is a criminal — after all, it is ILLEGAL immigration.


79 posted on 07/11/2015 4:39:20 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Has Linda Chavez been smoking too many bowls???


80 posted on 07/11/2015 5:14:38 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I will settle for a "perfectly good, gently used" kidney...Apply within...)
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