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To: Finny

IF the bikers were even HALF as bad as the cops - and some sadly misinformed FReepers - are attempting to make them out to be, there would have been dead cops out there too. The fact that no cop was even targeted tells me there is something entirely fishy about the LEO narrative. Not saying all the bikers were perfectly innocent good guys, but uh, the bikers are more likely to be: veterans/white collar workers by day/LEO/military and such. There are bad elements in there, but I do know quite a few very good guys (one is a cop) who ride with various biker “gangs”.


14 posted on 07/16/2015 9:18:50 AM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are we going to do about it?)
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To: dware
The government is quite open about its animus toward bikers. It's smart to take them at their word.

And in Waco, we see the animus backed up in deed, "to teach them a lesson" (about how the wheels of justice turn).

15 posted on 07/16/2015 9:23:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: dware
Yep!!!

Americans have the RIGHT to free assembly with "bad" dudes, ex-convicts, preachers, sinners, gamblers, off-duty cops, tattoo artists, doctors, hairdressers, convicted felons (who've paid their dues to society), fat people, skinny people, classy ladies and skanky dames, liberals, conservatives, pot-bellied guys with beards to their navels, clean-cut accountants who ride on the weekends -- by golly, we even have the right to free association with TOBACCO SMOKERS!!

Unless, of course, it's at a COCI meeting or, very probably, anyplace where all those people's primary vehicle is a Harley or Indian motorcycle.

That's the reality in America today, and it is a hard reality, a mean one, to accept, but face it -- and face it DOWN -- we must.

I just learned that in a nearby rural county, just like down here in heavily populated So Cal, bikers and biker clubs are being consistently and heavily HARASSED and threatened by "law enforcement," our "civil servants" busy serving us a big plate of jackbooted thuggery. Law-abiding bikers with zero or very old criminal records of small consequence have had their vests taken from them by police, been followed and hounded and photographed, when gathering together simply to party and have fun, as IS EVERY AMERICAN'S GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to do. Civil Servants are working overtime to remove that right for American motorcyclists.

Our "civil servants" in law enforcement and within the justice system that enables this abuse of power (see Waco), apparently expect us to relinquish our right to free association with such sorts because there are just too many "unsavory characters" about. After all, "experts" and "journalists" agree that clubs are "criminal gangs."

If at Waco, cops had arrested the dozen or so "bad elements" involved in the shooting and left everyone else alone, that would have been fine. But they did the OPPOSITE and arrested the good elements, and the reasons why are all too apparent: American bikers are at the forefront of American patriots who consider civil servants, servants.

Those civil servants abuse us as if they are our masters, and bikers (not the courts -- Waco proves that, as it's already too late for the courts to help the victims of "civil servants" turned self-appointed masters) -- bikers in America, many organized into clubs dominated by veterans, are the single LARGEST and MOST DIVERSE group of American citizens poised to resist in a way that actually counts.

19 posted on 07/16/2015 9:43:04 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: dware
I do know quite a few very good guys (one is a cop) who ride with various biker “gangs”.

Ditto! Yep. Well said.

29 posted on 07/16/2015 9:54:11 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: dware

>>> There are bad elements in there, but I do know quite a few very good guys (one is a cop) who ride with various biker “gangs”. <<<

The two most heavily armed motorcycle ‘gangs’ in New Jersey (10-15 years ago) were the Blue Knights and the Wild Pigs. Both were law enforcement only.

There were also Secret Service, FBI and Federal Marshals who rode with them. I don’t know what other agencies may have been represented.


33 posted on 07/16/2015 10:02:28 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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