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Flouting The Law, Some New Yorkers Won't Register Guns (NPR)
NPR ^ | July 24th '15 | Joel Rose

Posted on 07/24/2015 5:21:22 PM PDT by Drango

New York state has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Compliance with those laws is another matter.

New York passed a broad package of gun regulations after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., despite the objections of hunters and gun rights advocates. Now it appears that many gun owners are refusing to comply with a key provision that requires the registration of so-called assault weapons.

"I think this law was so incredibly repressive that it drove people to the point now that they're basically saying we're not going to abide by any more laws," says Brian Olesen, the owner of American Trade and Goods and several other outdoor stores around Albany, N.Y., that stock a wide range of guns for hunting and self-defense. Olesen says his customers overwhelmingly oppose the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act — or SAFE Act, as the 2013 gun law is known.

[The SAFE Act] still may be law, but the people of New York state have repealed it on their own. They're just ignoring the law.

Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association

The law has some of the nation's toughest regulations on guns and ammunition, including a ban on the sale of so-called "military style assault weapons," like the AR-15 style long rifle used in the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It also requires New Yorkers to register the assault weapons they already own with police.

Critics of the law see registration as the first step toward confiscation. And some say they just won't do it.

"I just don't see there's any need to," says Joseph Fuller of Cohoes, N.Y. Fuller says he owns several guns, including at least one that he's required to register under the SAFE Act. But he hasn't.

"I don't pay attention, to be honest," says Fuller. "I have friends out in the boondocks. They won't register their guns either. And they told me ... don't even bother. Don't worry about it."

No one knows exactly how many so-called assault weapons there are in New York. But the number is likely far more than the 45,000 that have been registered so far. The New York State Police released that number recently, but only after being ordered to by a court.

Supporters of the SAFE Act disagree.

"I think 45,000 is a lot of assault weapons. I think it's evidence of how long overdue this law is," says Leah Barrett, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence. Barrett points out that multiple public opinion polls — including one commissioned by her group — show that 60 percent of New Yorkers support the SAFE Act.

"They support the background check requirement. They support the state's ban on military-style assault weapons. They even support the background checks on ammunition sales," says Barrett, "because they know that these are entirely reasonable."

Still, the law's opponents show no signs of backing down. They've been especially loud in upstate New York, where hunting is a big part of the culture. Among them are many elected county sheriffs.

"When I prioritize what I need to do as a sheriff, the SAFE Act comes in at the bottom of that list," says Christopher Moss, the sheriff in Chemung County, a rural area near the Pennsylvania border. "I do look at it personally as an infringement on Second Amendment rights."

That puts Moss and many other state sheriffs at odds with Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo touted the SAFE Act during his re-election campaign last year. His administration did not respond to requests for comment on the apparent lack of enforcement.

And this month, Cuomo agreed to postpone another controversial part of the law: a statewide database to track ammunition purchases.

"When the database is ready, it will be instituted," Cuomo told reporters this month. "But if people are worried that we're gonna do that before it's ready, we're not gonna do that before it's ready."

That did not appease upstate Republican lawmakers. Some are still trying to repeal the SAFE Act. And gun rights groups are challenging the law in court. A federal judge in Buffalo upheld most of the law in 2013. An appeals court is expected to rule on the case this year.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; molonlabe; newyork; obamalegacy
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To: QT3.14

Best post of the day.


21 posted on 07/24/2015 6:05:58 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: Drango

I just can’t imagine people ignoring the law like that....


22 posted on 07/24/2015 6:07:59 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73

my beeber was stuned too.


23 posted on 07/24/2015 6:10:21 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

14th Amendment—equal protection of the laws.

Use the least restrictive State’s laws and bring it to the Supreme Court.

If the logic works for gay marriage, why not for guns?


24 posted on 07/24/2015 6:11:44 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Cboldt
Mr. Fuller will be arrested, admitted lawbreaker, and to a reporter. Dumbass. Yep
25 posted on 07/24/2015 6:16:59 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Drango

Some=97% in Newspeak


26 posted on 07/24/2015 6:20:47 PM PDT by null and void (If the government can't protect the Marines, how can we expect it to protect us?)
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To: onona

Gun Sanctuary.

Take in an orphan TODAY!


27 posted on 07/24/2015 6:22:20 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Steely Tom

They’re just pro-choice. On guns


28 posted on 07/24/2015 6:28:19 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: Drango

In CT non-compliance to a similar law was estimated at 85%.

Which was something like 300,000 guns in the hands of 100,000 gunowners engaged in a massive act of civil disobedience


29 posted on 07/24/2015 6:28:37 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Drango
Same thing happened in California around 1999 I think. "Assault Weapon" ownership was conservatively estimated at about 8 million in private hands. Less than 300,000 were registered.
30 posted on 07/24/2015 6:33:18 PM PDT by semaj (Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
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To: mrsmel

“we are no longer a nation of laws”

Yup. It’s every man for himself.

Tone is set at the top. Laws are for the powerful to attempt to control the powerless.


31 posted on 07/24/2015 6:41:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WSJs approval of law-breaking and disdain for the Bill of Rights reveals anti-American principles)
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To: Drango

Have heard from some folk who live in that general area that many people are registering junk, spare parts, worn out magazines, etc, just so they can surrender something if it comes to that. The good stuff is safely stored away.


32 posted on 07/24/2015 6:43:12 PM PDT by jstaff
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To: semaj
As much as the liberals bleated about the registration not being used, BS!

Someyears after the registration, I got into radio scanning and heard a call to a domestic disturbance and the dispatcher told the cops that the record showed assault weapons being registered to that address.

The cops most certainly have that info at their fingertips, at least the ones where I lived in Ventura county did at the time. Cannot be better now a decade later.

33 posted on 07/24/2015 6:55:39 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Drango
How about a ‘Sanctuary City’ for people who don't believe in following gun laws?

Surely NPR would back that... they have ZERO respect for our immigration laws... Why would they object to us having zero respet for the laws they favor?

Hypocrites. Liberal elite jerks.Yes, National Public Radio - we're talking about YOU.

34 posted on 07/24/2015 7:02:58 PM PDT by GOPJ (They are not undocumented and they are not immigrants. They are illegal aliens. Lurkinnamloomin)
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To: Drango
Remember when CT passed their draconian gun laws and all the political talking heads were threatening gun owners that they'd better register or else? Some of the local police actually went on record as salivating over raiding gun owner's homes and killing them to get their guns. That was before the implementation date. Gun owners stood firm and said: “Come and take them.”

Now faced with the prospect of deadly force shootouts and the fascist oppressors going room temperature in the process, plus the fact these very same people have painted themselves into a bulls eye, the rhetoric and hype stopped. It didn't help that other chief law enforcement officers said they would not enforce this unconstitutional law. So far the politicians are hesitating at the possibility of armed resistance to their “law” if they implement it.

“Do not fire unless fired upon. If they mean to have a war, let it begin here.” — Captain John Parker, Lexington Green, Massachusetts, 19 April 1775.

35 posted on 07/24/2015 8:21:11 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Daly Danko)
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To: Cboldt

The 2nd amendment says he does not have to register,dumbass


36 posted on 07/24/2015 8:26:26 PM PDT by advertising guy (it is now time to be counted)
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To: advertising guy
-- The 2nd amendment says he does not have to register,dumbass --

I know that, and you know that, but the state of NY doesn't, and the courts don't either.

37 posted on 07/25/2015 12:50:21 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Drango

The SAFE act is a living and breathing law; citizens should be entitled to interpret it as they see fit.


38 posted on 07/28/2015 3:48:56 PM PDT by grumpygresh (My real thoughts have been self censored.)
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To: Drango
...60 percent of New Yorkers support the SAFE Act

They likely took this poll down in the Liberal hive of New York City, which voted 80+ percent for Obama. They already gave up their 2nd Amendment freedoms years ago in the interest of "safety". Now they have neither.

39 posted on 07/28/2015 5:24:43 PM PDT by Gritty (A citizenry that votes for an asshole is less deluded than one that votes for a messiah-Mark Steyn)
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