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To: kabar
"What is wrong with attrition thru enforcement? We don’t need mass deportation or a blanket amnesty or paying them to leave. We just make life miserable for them including shutting down the job magnet."

That's one strategy, but...

  1. The cost of enforcement. You're going to have a black market in labor as long as they are here. So you're going to have to have investigations, prosecutions, court hearings, and then you still have to deport them. Paying them $x is one way to get them to self-deport without a lot of enforcement action.
  2. The black market in labor has a corrupting influence on the market. If your competitor is using cheaper illegal labor and the enforcement is not fast or sufficient to deter them, then you're out of business, unless you do likewise.
  3. To get the cash, they have to submit to having biometric data taken, making it easier to identify them if they enter the country illegally again.
  4. Severe penalties for re-entering the country is more palatable if they received a cash payment for exiting.
  5. Self-deportation reduces their numbers quickly, making protests less likely and less volatile. So that when you do have to get tougher on deportation, it's a little easier.
  6. A quick cash payment may incent some of the sponges and criminal element to self deport. Hopefully they'll underestimate how much harder it will be to get back in, and go for the quick cash.
  7. Making life miserable for them is not going to set well with everyone. If you're not careful, you'll put them out of a job and into the food stamp line. Or you'll see an increase in crime.

99 posted on 07/30/2015 6:59:33 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
The cost of enforcement. You're going to have a black market in labor as long as they are here. So you're going to have to have investigations, prosecutions, court hearings, and then you still have to deport them. Paying them $x is one way to get them to self-deport without a lot of enforcement action.

We are going to have to enforce the law regardless. We must deport people who violate our immigration laws now and in the future. Deportations will continue. And what about the estimated 2 million criminal aliens roaming our streets, one million of whom have been ordered deported already? Will you pay them?

The black market in labor has a corrupting influence on the market. If your competitor is using cheaper illegal labor and the enforcement is not fast or sufficient to deter them, then you're out of business, unless you do likewise.

The attraction for using illegal aliens will continue unless you start penalizing employers and making e-verify mandatory.

To get the cash, they have to submit to having biometric data taken, making it easier to identify them if they enter the country illegally again.

What is the incentive to do that? Certainly criminal aliens will not subject themselves to that.

Severe penalties for re-entering the country is more palatable if they received a cash payment for exiting. Self-deportation reduces their numbers quickly, making protests less likely and less volatile. So that when you do have to get tougher on deportation, it's a little easier.

We already have severe penalties if you enter again. Currently, it is a felony with two years in jail and then deportation. That is US code.

You can increase self-deportation by enforcing our existing laws and leveraging state and local law enforcement. Cut off the job magnet and welfare payments and you will have self-deportation like was the case in AZ when they required mandatory e-verify that was upheld by SCOTUS. We also need to stop birthright citizenship. 300,000 children are born annually to illegal aliens annually. They become citizens eligible for food stamps, Medicaid, and other welfare payments.

A quick cash payment may incent some of the sponges and criminal element to self deport. Hopefully they'll underestimate how much harder it will be to get back in, and go for the quick cash.

How much will the incentives be compared to what they get now. Unless we have increased interior enforcement, nothing will happen. 40% of the lawbreakers came here legally and overstayed their visas. A fence won't stop them. When do you stop paying people to leave and start enforcing the law? New illegal aliens enter every day.

Making life miserable for them is not going to set well with everyone. If you're not careful, you'll put them out of a job and into the food stamp line. Or you'll see an increase in crime.

Totally bogus. If enforcing our laws is considered to be bad because it won't "set well with everyone," then we have lost this country. The Rule of Law no longer exists. The lawbreakers are not entitled to food stamps, only their US born children. As far as an increase in crime is concerned, then I guess we should not enforce any of our laws because we just get an increase in crime.

You have also failed to note that we bring in 1.1 million LEGAL PERMANENT IMMIGRANTS A YEAR, 30 million since 1990. They compete against Americans for jobs and depress wages. We have a surplus of labor.

178 posted on 07/30/2015 7:41:20 PM PDT by kabar
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