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I’ve never made the claim the guy was our ideal candidate.

I understand. But that phrase was certainly was used a millions times to support the inept corrupt lying professional politicians before Trump's run. And we all know they're bought and paid for.

Here is my voting record:.

1972 Nixon
1976 Ford
1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush
1992 Bush
1996 Dole
2000 Buchanan
2004 Bush
2008 Declined to vote
2012 Romney

I knew Bush would be a disaster, but I couldn't allow Kerry to become president.

I will never vote for a man as morally bankrupt as John McCain.

I could not stand by and watch Obama have another term in office, standing on the sidelines. Only two votes in my lifetime haunt me. Dole and Romney.

After the Republicans calling Buchanan the next Hitler in 1996, I voted for Dole. It made me sick to do it, but I didn't want Clinton. I didn't want Romey either, but by that time it was clear what Obama would do if given four more years. Surpisingly, Romney hauted me about 10% as much as the Dole vote did. I was actually incredibly disgusted leaving the polling booth, for the first time in my life. The party was undeniably corrupt at that point, and I wanted nothing to do with it. I wanted even less to do with another four years of the Clintons and their machine.

I've been on both sides of these types of debates. I saw the Bush crew here in 2000. In 2004 I took off for three months seeking to avoid it. They didn't drive me off the forum. I chose to leave rather than witness a repeat. When I came back, a large segment of the Bushstapo was gone. Best move in the history of the FR forum IMO.

People running around calling people "purist" when they voiced anger after being repeatedly betrayed by the career politicians. Americans who wanted secured borders were labeled isolationist, racist, and were told it was impossible, too hard to secure a border etc.

In know. I agree.

Same exact thing went on with Bush during his last campaign for POTUS. He's not ideal so hold your nose and everyone vote for the better evil. It was endless, on and on.

IMO, the second go around on Bush was actually tamer. During the first I would be posting off Bush threads about something more or less unrelated, and I'd be attacked out of the blue. Some of those Bush folks were unhinged. That sounds mean, but the only alternative was that they were paid hit men/women seeking to drive Conservatives off forums. It was that bad.

I see Jebra as I saw George. Neither of them have a clue. At least Jebra didn't lose his marbles only for them to show up in his mouth, and then him refuse to take them out.

If we're talking Trump, I see him addressing Conservative issues today and loudly in public. Has he just changed? Is he an opportunist?

Honestly, I can't tell you. I can get behind him and support him now hoping things will work out, or I can get behind Cruz or Walker and watch Jebra get the nomination.

I honestly think Cruz and Walker are prime candidates for the media to crush, so what do we do?

Dole was a has-been snore, lucky to be alive after falling off that stage. That was the extent of his quick witted activity during that campaign. Bush didn't talk up Conservative ideals. McCain certainly didn't. Romney was a known disaster.

Trump has made Conservatism his main focus. He wants to make America great again. He doesn't view it as the pariah of the world. In my book, that's more than half the battle right there.

Will we be disappointed by him? Sure. Were we by Bush? Well, letting the nation melt down on his watch is something I don't expect to see under Trump. That is progress too.

Great comments.

After the Republicans calling Buchanan the next Hitler in 1996, I voted for Dole.

No offense but that made me laugh.☺ Those tactics were around before us.

That sounds mean, but the only alternative was that they were paid hit men/women seeking to drive Conservatives off forums. It was that bad.

There were groups wolf packing posters. Many who crossed the line disappeared into the corn field. Lots of group think stuff. This goes on in real life too. Things and attitudes change.

On Trump, I hear these people say he's not serious and as soon as Trump gets Hillary in there he'll bail and on and on. I'm thinking if he ever did that to his supporters he'd be the most hated guy in the entire country. Him and his family would flee the country. ☺ The entire country would hate him, not only the MSM and Politicos but millions of others. What a hoot! It's movie material.

On a serious note, I'm betting even El Chapo is starting to sweat as well.