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Trump the agnostic
American Thinker ^ | Robert Klein Engler

Posted on 08/09/2015 6:04:33 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

In her recent column Trump the Disrupter, Maureen Dowd wrote, “…Trump can go badly astray, as he did with the president’s birth certificate.”

Astray? Here’s what Trump said about Obama’s birth certificate when asked in a recent interview by Anderson Cooper on CNN:

Cooper asked: “Do you accept that President Obama was born in the United States?”

“I really don’t know,” Trump responded. “I don’t know why he wouldn’t release his records; but, honestly, I don’t want to get into it.”

Before shifting to a different topic…Trump rebutted with a few facts on the subject.

“Do you know that Hillary Clinton was a birther? She wanted those records and fought like hell,” he said. “People forgot…”

“I really don’t know.”

Given what we do know and the documents released, this seems to be the most honest and reasonable answer anyone can say about the documents he has released to prove he is a natural born citizen.

At least Trump did not prevaricate about the issue. He said he really didn’t know. That’s far different from Bill O’Reilly, who actually claimed to have seen the Obama Birth document when it was impossible to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ego; egomaniac; naturalborncitizen; trump
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To: Fantasywriter

Newspapers make mistakes all the time.


41 posted on 08/09/2015 8:04:25 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

The info came from the DoH. Not to mention [this is where your common sense comes in] that both newspapers would not have made identical mistakes.


42 posted on 08/10/2015 4:14:45 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Oklahoma

Except it was not the newspapers’ mistake, if its a mistake at all. The “Health Bureau Statistics” sections in the Honolulu newspapers simply reprinted whatever vital record data on births, deaths and marriages was sent to them from the state “Health Bureau” (which is now called the Department of Health).


43 posted on 08/10/2015 2:58:25 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Fantasywriter

How do you know where they lived? Or where they listed their residence when checking into the hospital?

Take a look at Obama and Davis in portraits side by side and then Obama with the Kenyan. You tell me which one he resembles.


44 posted on 08/10/2015 3:04:35 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

Several Obama-friendly biographers went to HI in the course of their researches. None of them could find a trace of SAD in HI for the bulk of her pregnancy. [The only indication that she may have been in HI for even the first couple of mos of pregnancy is a notation in a record book. It purports to show the date at which her secretive marriage to O Sr. took place.]

David Maraniss is the bbiographer who established positively that SAD and the baby at no time resided at the address listed in both the birth announcements and forged LFBC. The results of his research have never been challenged.


45 posted on 08/10/2015 3:36:08 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

This was over fifty years ago and I doubt they were putting ads in papers or commercials on radio and tv announcing her pregnancy. They kept quiet to avoid embarrassing Davis’s wife and to eventually find a suitable stand-in. The stand-in was the Kenyan.

I don’t know why you think that address is important. It”s not.


46 posted on 08/10/2015 3:56:53 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

It’s not complicated. If SAD had actually gone to a hospital in HI to give birth, she would have filled in the LFBC with her actual address. Instead the address listed on both the BC and the newspaper announcements is one at which she and the baby never lived. Use your common sense. Why list a phony address if a real one had been available?


47 posted on 08/10/2015 4:09:37 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

You’re right. It’s not complicated.

A seventeen year old is pregnant with a big-racial baby and the father is an older, married communist. She marries an African exchange student to keep the real father out of trouble and has the baby in August. Since the marriage is a sham they give the hospital a bad address. Maybe they didn’t want to be tracked down. When the baby is a month old she’s in Seattle enrolled at the University of Washington and the Kenyan is still in Hawaii.

In answer to your question why give a good address when a bad one will do? They didn’t want her home address listed.


48 posted on 08/10/2015 5:11:34 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

Nice theory. The only thing it lacks is facts and evidence.

Meanwhile, here are some more facts to work into your otherwise fact-free scenario.

One, multiple people within the HI political/records system have confirmed there was no LFBC for Obama. One official said Obama’s lack of a BC was an “open secret.”

Multiple witnesses who observed what was on file for Obama described them as ‘handwritten,’ and, ‘ birth records.’

Both the above facts fit the ‘birther’ theory that granny Dunham registered a HI birth for her foreign-born grandson, but in no way fit a hospital birth.

Obama originally claimed to have been born in Queens. Only later did he claim Kapiolani. Later still he wrote a cheesy letter to Kapiolani thanking them for being the hospital of his birth. Kapiolani displayed the letter and fund raised off it...UNTIL they were told that to do so was fraud, UNLESS Obama was actually born there. Immediately the letter was hidden away and no further fundraising mentioned it.

Last but not least, Obama’s belatedly produced LFBC is an obvious forgery.

Use your common sense, and draw your own conclusions. [Btw, foreign-born does not preclude FMD as the father. Some speculate, including Jack Cashill, that SAD was sent to an unwed mother’s home in Canada. That does not rule out one father over another, fwiw.]


49 posted on 08/10/2015 5:49:51 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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