Open Letter to the Pro and Anti Trump Freepers

August 10, 2015 | Self

[South40]

You watch Cruz with a wary eye based on where his wife works yet you have faith in lifelong liberal Donald Trump?

lol! OK.

[Democratic-Republican]

Carly: a flawed candidate: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/carly_a_flawed_candidate.html

Fiorina, al-Mansour and the World Economic Forum: http://canadafreepress.com/article/23814

Carly Fiorina Attacks Cruz: ‘No Honor’ In Fight To Defund Obamacare: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3322644/posts

Carly Fiorina is open to legal status for adult illegal immigrants, citizenship for their kids: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3322641/posts

Fiorina ‘relieved’ Baltimore cops charged: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/240947-fiorina-relieved-baltimore-cops-charged

Fiorina is open to legal status for adult illegal immigrants, citizenship for their kids: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/15/carly-fiorina-open-legal-status-adult-illegal-immi/

More information for your list ... Both Carly and Meg Whitman ( candidate for California Governor in the same cycle ) were pure (R)epublicrat candidates, and they ran away from Sarah Palin and the TEA Party freight train. In Nevada, to the chagrin of the (R)epublicrat establishment and many of our friends in the blogosphere, Sharron Angle embraced the movement. So let's go to the videotape ...

TEA Party landslide year 2010

-=[ Nevada Senate ]=- 
Harry Reid       362,785 ( 50.3% )
Sharron Angle    321,361 ( 44.6% )

-=[ California Senate ]=-
Barbara Boxer  5,218,441 ( 52.2% )
Carly Fiorina  4,217,366 ( 42.2% )

-=[ California Governor ]=-
Jerry Brown    5,428,458 ( 53.8% )
Meg Whitman    4,127,371 ( 40.9% )

Angle came much closer to unseating the sitting Senate Majority leader than Carly did for a Senate seat against a weakened liberal opponent. And that is saying something because of the machine that Reid had working in Nevada. It was a mere 40k votes and 6%. Carly lost by 1 million and 10% after not letting Sarah help her out.

Yet we have the major media and (R)epublicrat establishment incessantly pounding Sharron Angle mercilessly as the "TEA Party loser". The chutzpah of the (R)ats in astounding. But facts are facts, and Rove can choke on it.

There should be no mystery why the (R)epublicrat establishment and major media like Fox News are trying to inject life into her robotic campaign. She is their favorite kind of "conservative", a proven loser. A sacrificial lamb to the two party duopoly.

To everyone just discovering Carly now, when you turn on the TV and see the talking heads (R)epublicrat consultants and elitist jackasses like Krauthammer and Will and Rove talking her up, there is only one thing that should pop into your head ...

[fr_freak]

No, you misunderstand me completely. If Trump were to make it to the final round, I would watch him with the wariest eye of all. In fact, I would almost EXPECT him to do things that I don't like. But this is the devil's choice that all real Americans face: there IS NO REAL CONSERVATIVE IN THE RACE. Cruz is probably the closest thing to that. I'll say it again - I respect the man and I'll be happy if he wins. But to put my full faith in Cruz that he'll be everything I've ever wanted in a president would be beyond foolish. He wouldn't have gotten this far with GOP support if he were the conservative we all need. If Cruz follows through with HALF of his stated beliefs I will be happy, because all GOP candidates for the last 20 + years have followed through with damn near ZERO conservative ideas. Maybe Cruz will follow through with 100%. I don't dare to hope.

The point with Trump is that he will be a complete wildcard. He will be a wildcard as to whether he does conservative things, but he will also be a wildcard as to whether he does things that the Marxists that run our government want. That is the core of his appeal - he appears to be outside of the game, and I will take that over yet another GOP drone any day. And don't get freaked that I may be implying Cruz is a drone. I hope he isn't.

[jimjohn]

Bookmark

[gogeo]

+1+1.

[trebb]

Many of us "Trump Supporters" really support Cruz (or perhaps one of the others), but recognize what Trump brings to the game - PC crap has killed the Nation/Constitution/Freedom and the way to fight it is with the pure, harsh Truth and then remain in-your-face unrepentant when the PC crowd howls.

For me, personally, my money is going to Cruz (and FR) and I'm cheering Trump on to keep it up - our Nation needs what he is dishing out.

I pray I get to vote for Cruz in the election, but if Trump were to be the last man standing, I could vote for him with a clear conscience.

Supporting/rooting for Trump doesn't always indicate that he is the preferred candidate, but more that he is (to loosely quote a line from "Thunder Road") "Taking roads that even angels fear to tread" and showing what some spinal fortitude can accomplish.

Go Cruz!!! Keep it up Trump!

[Political Junkie Too]

The same could he said for Golda Meier, although she'd be more grandmotherly than feminine.

-PJ

[Political Junkie Too]

My thought on Trump not backing down is this:

Trump is about doing things; politicians are about the illusion of doing things. The MSM is about selling the illusion to the masses.

Trump is not going to back down because a politician or "journalist" ginned up a faux illusion of a controversy. Eventually, the mirage fades as one gets closer to it.

Business entrepreneurs know that some businesses succeed and others do not. Some succeed for awhile, and then market conditions change; competition emerges, technology advances, tastes change, costs change, subsidies run out. The businessman moves on.

Trump is not going to let a self-important no-accomplishment person drive him out solely by the force of their own self-importance.

I think Trump's positions are grounded in one non-partisan thing: he hates what Obama is doing to the country, and he hates how the Republicans in Congress are letting him run wild.

Trump sees everything he's built up for himself and his family and friends being threatened by radical leftist policies, and if Republicans are too old, too tired, too afraid, or feel to cozy to stop it, then he's going to step in and try to fix it himself.

So the question is what makes the likes of John McCain, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, John Kerry, Bob Dole, and the like, qualified to run for office, but a business leader like Donald Trump is not?

The answer is that those on the inside get to decide on who can be inside. Trump's not qualified because they say so, and that's it. And Trump's not buying the "because we say so" argument.

Would Trump as President vascillate between liberal and conservative policy decisions? Maybe. Would Trump make liberal social issues his priority? Right now, he's saying we don't have time for that, and that he's running on more urgent needs. Is Trump to be believed that his Job #1 is restoring American jobs, manufacturing, security, and negotiating strength with our allies, and that he's not going to pivot left on other things once in office (like McConnell and Boehner) and abandon his campaign promises?

That's what the primary is all about. That's why we need an honest debate where the issues are fairly framed and the debaters (not the moderators) do the rebutting. Let's see who's willing to take on whom, who's willing to take a position on which issues, what are those positions, what are the oppositions to those positions.

This is what the Fox moderators stole from the candidates and the viewers on Thursday night. They usurped the role of rebuttal and made the candidates individually argue their positions with themselves instead of the other candidates. And then knowing this was going to be the format, they staged meaningless personal questions that had no viable rebuttal opportunities from the other candidates.

What candidate is going to interject in the middle of a crude mysogeny question? What candidate is going to rebut an "any word from God" question? What candidate is going to jump into Megyn Kelly's question to Jeb Bush that "your brother's war was a mistake" or the Bush dynasty question?

There were a half-dozen questions where one candidate was asked to attack another candidate.

• Wallace to Rubio: Could you please address Governor Bush across the stage here, and explain to him why you, someone who has never held executive office, are better prepared to be president than he is...
• Wallace to Cruz: Senator Cruz, your colleague, Senator Paul, right there next to you, said a few months ago he agrees with you on a number of issues, but he says you do nothing to grow the party...
• Wallace to Trump: Governor Bush has called those remarks, quote, “extraordinarily ugly.” I’d like you — you’re right next to him — tell us — talk to him directly and say how you respond to that...
• Kelly to Christie: Do you really believe you can assign blame to Senator Paul just for opposing he bulk collection of people’s phone records in the event of a terrorist attack?
• Baier to Rubio: Senator Rubio, why is Governor Bush wrong on Common Core?
• Wallace to Christie: Governor Huckabee says he can save Social Security and Medicare without doing any of that. Is he lying?
• Kelly to Bush: Governor Bush, I want to ask you, on the subject of name calling of your fellow candidates, a story appeared today quoting an anonymous GOP donor who said you called Mr. Trump a clown, a buffoon...

With questions like that, how can we truly see the positions of each candidate? When the questions are lowball and undeserving of the stature of Governors, Senators, and business leaders, then why should we take seriously the fallout from such a farce?

I'm willing to let this smear job go by and wait for some real journalism, if you will, before I start eliminating candidates.

-PJ

[Lakeshark]

I'm a little late to the party, nice ramble (your word) post.

I'm not particularly a Trump fan, but I love what he's done to the race with his salvos on illegals,and his unflinching no regrets style that has cowed the media. How he would govern is a big mystery, I fear he would let us down more than most candidates, but there's nothing much we can do about it at this point.

The truth of the matter is, whether we like it or not: This is Donald's race to lose. Unless he flames out on his own (which is distinctly possible), or there is some mysterious turn in the public, he could waltz to the finish. He could flame out by doing something supremely stupid, and if nothing else it's going to be entertaining.

If he flames out, Jeb will still not benefit, more than likely one of the demonstrable conservatives (Trump is not that) such as Cruz will step forward, which would be wonderful.

In the mean time, running mean spirited posts against Trump won't help as you have pointed out. All we can do is try to point out the inconsistency of the Donald when it's appropriate to do so.

I love what he's done for the race, hope he doesn't bite conservatives in the ass too much, and hope for the best. Whatever happens, it's going to be fun to watch.

[kinsman redeemer]

Trump is a narcissistic dictator. He rules by intimidation and force.
He wants to be in control and doesn’t like to answer to anyone else.

I imagine that the Oval Office has been his desire for a long time but never before did the position appeal to him because of... The Law. He always assumed that the Constitution and the balance of power would frustrate him. He likes absolute control.

Until 7 years ago when he learned that this country would gladly tolerate a narcissist dictator who rules by intimidation and force. Then he changed his mind.

[glennaro]

Well, at least we know Trump was a liberal before he’s running as a conservative ... not great but better than most of the GOP “professional politicians” (presidential candidates since 1990; most GOP members of the House and Senate; most on last week’s “debate” stages) who are conservative until they win an election, then they vote and act very much like “liberals”/”progressives”.

[Smokin' Joe]

Y’all are busy watching the ‘big game’, while the real action is in the parking lot. What makes good ‘Reality TV’ isn’t necessarily the basis for selecting the POTUS. Strip this crap of the personalities and get back to the issues.