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To: xzins

The same survey shows that most Americans are with Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren on Social Security.


10 posted on 08/17/2015 6:06:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

This is not the year to argue Social Security. There are bigger fish to fry than whether the younger generation can’t start collecting until 68 years old.


14 posted on 08/17/2015 6:08:55 AM PDT by xzins (Don't let others pay your share; reject Freep-a-Fare! Donate-https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

So what?

Most Americans believe that they are entitled to get their promised benefits or at least get some of what they paid into those programs back. After all you never hear about the politicians wanting to cut their own pensions or those of their staff or the people who work for the state, federal and local governments.

You want to change SS? Eliminate every public sector pension plan and include and include the proceeds in the confiscatory SS program and make government workers live under the same plan as the rest of us.

SS has already been changed since I started paying in it. It has risen to paying 15% of my income to cover it and medicare & I started paying into it over thirty five years ago and in order to get my full benefits I have been pushed back to 67 years of age. Now they want to add more years onto the retirement age. Why not just raise it to 100 and stop the lying bull crap.

I started working when I was ten, my wife started when she was 15. I got my first SS withholding when I was fourteen. We have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars into the system and our employers contributions double that figure.

We have also saved six figures worth of private 401 k and IRA savings that cost us a great deal of delayed gratification & struggle in order to give us a comfortable retirement or at least a chance to retire at all. None of that includes the huge expense of parochial school tuition that responsible parents pay in order to keep their children out of the crappy public school indoctrination pits we are forced to pay thousands of dollars into through our property and income taxes.

Now we have people saying that those who planned and struggled to save will be means tested out of the system. That is utter bull crap!

The system damn well better pay something back or I might decide to take a pot shot at a random leader.

There are tens of millions other Americans who feel the exact same way. There is nothing more dangerous than a huge group of fat old white men who are well armed and enraged after being screwed over.

That is the things revolutions are made of.


64 posted on 08/17/2015 6:52:34 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The same survey shows that most Americans are with Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren on Social Security.

Ha.....if all the illegals "they have to go" ...go...then this frees up money for social security.

66 posted on 08/17/2015 6:58:04 AM PDT by spokeshave (If an illegal alien is undocumented immigrant a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist)
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